from a Muslims POV

[freako104]

as asked and promised I spoke to Amir and this is our conversation about certain threads and where most Muslims stand




freako104: Amir can I ask you for a favour?
: sure... but hold on I'm on phone.
freako104: allright
: off the phone now.
: What's up?
freako104: I was wondering if you could join a message board or at least post some info on Islam there
freako104: cause I am sick of fighting a couple of people when I say what you said
freako104: and they BS it
freako104: this is the thread
freako104: http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16119
: It's better not to argue with those people.
: I will tell you now that people will not believe it if the Prophet Muhammad himself were to say something.
: You know?
freako104: yea but after the info you had given me(as well as religion class ehre and back home0
freako104: I wanted to prove that Islam is not the evil cult he said it was
freako104: but I wasnt sure if you could post some info there?
: He will still believe it... He is prejudiced.
: I am checking it out.
freako104: actually its 2 guys
: I will tell you whether it will help or not.
freako104: the one who started the thread and another named Gonz
freako104: I know some of my info maybe wrong
: Any posts will simply make the guy dig up obscure bs to refute me.
: Sorry, but the best thing to do is ignore this guy.
freako104: ok well thanks
: You can't argue with someone who is happy with their ignorance.
freako104: sorry about that it was annoying to see someone so ignorant
: I know.
freako104: what else is new in your life?
: I am sorry you had to deal with these two guys...
: Just so you know, though... They will twist anything you have to say around to suit them.
: Logic doesn't mean shit to them obviously.
: If you read their threads... Logic is completely null and void.
: Do you know how many Muslims were outraged?
: A LOT.
freako104: I am not since I like to debate but I wish I could prove that Islam is not violent(hell I was taught that Muhhamed was a feminist who harted violence)
freako104: you were one of them
freako104: I remember our little spay
freako104: spat*
: Yup.
: Also, remember this ... A lot of Muslims are under attack right now.
freako104: glad I was able to apologise and learn from the mistake
freako104: in the ME? or here too?
: They cannot say anything for fear of either attracting US attention or their own governments' attentions...
: American Muslims are also being treated in a way that they cannot speak out either way or they will be oppressed both by the people and the government.
freako104: in Saudi Arabia? I thought our govt cou;ldnt do anything there since our alliance
: It's a hands tied situation.
freako104: they should not be
freako104: 1st amendment
: Saudi Arabia is a hot bed of contention.
freako104: no restriction n speech and religion
: Check out the Patriot Acts...
: The Homeland Security Acts.
freako104: my dad hates that thing
freako104: I think its just a way for Bush to take away citizens rights
: The 500 Muslims unlawfully held for almost a year in California for NO reason and given NO restitution upon release or deportation.
freako104: I honestly was not aware of that
: Yup.
freako104: *ashamed*
freako104: I knew people were held but I thought there was reason for ut
freako104: it*
: It happened a little less than 3 years ago.
: It was "under suspicion" of wrong doing, but that was an after the fact issued statement.
freako104: just before 9/11?
: Just after...
freako104: that is why
: About 1 month after it started.
freako104: they wanted to crack down and this was a chance for that
: And they didn't look for reasons why they were holding the people until after...
: Some people they never even bothered to look for reasons of holding them.
freako104: isnt that illegal?
: Yes.
: But nobody did anything.
freako104: I thought you had to have a legit reasion and rights read to you
: Yup.
: Nobody even had miranda rights for their arrests.
freako104: thats bullshit
: And they were usually arrested normally, as if they were normal criminals.
freako104: it is by law you have to have those rights
freako104: every CJ class I ever had says that it is in the Constitution
: Yup.
: i know.
: Don't worry about it though.
cadorox: It won't hel pyou out any.
freako104: how come?
: Because it is in the past.
freako104: this kind of thing bothers me since I believe heavily in Ameirca
: There is a saying.
freako104: yea but I fear it can happen again
: Remember the past, don't live in it.
freako104: I have heard that
: Me too.
: I heavily believe in America.
: In the American Ideal.
freako104: but some people still live in 9/11
freako104: same
freako104: but it died a long time ago I am sad to say
: I hope not.
: I sincerely hope not.
freako104: I dont mean to crash your hopes but look at this country and the hypocrisy of our govt and what we did in the past
: I know.
freako104: thats why I say it is dead
: But again, i believe in remembering the past not living in it.
freako104: I just hope it can be revived
: I just hope we learned from our mistakes.
freako104: I agree
freako104: learn or relive them
freako104: ad infitum
: Yup.
freako104: I keep kinda hoping humanity can be more of the idealist no violence no hat
freako104: e
freako104: but so far I have been feeling badly about humaity and Americans(some not all)
: Just so you know one o the posts was saying how Muslims will takea century or two to outnumber Christians...
freako104: yea?
: It will only take 5-20 years at the current rate of population growth...
freako104: for that to be true?
: There are almost 900,000,000 Muslims world wide.
freako104: it is the fastest growing religion
: For Muslims to outnumber Christians in the world.
: Yup.
: It is.
freako104: but so far it is still more Xtians?
: It is still more Christians as far I had heard.
: But by about 300,000,000 or so...
freako104: that is still a good number more
: Yup.
: About 8-10% more.
: The number of hindus is at almost 800,000,000 right now...
: That chart is skewed..
: That population is in a LARGE boom too!!!
freako104: well you do know that soime stats can be altered and such
: Yup.
: They could be doing sheer numbers and so on.
: It's just the stats i had heard.
: Which showed islam as just under Christianity...
: But not by much.
freako104: see I was thinking there might be more Muslims because as was said they are more devout
: Practicing muslims I believe outnumber practicing christians.
freako104: yea but some are saying they are Christian for the sake of saying it
freako104: Most Muslims I thought were devout
: Pretty much.
: Again i would say about 70% of muslims as opposed to about 45-60% of Christians.
freako104: I thought it was honestly maybe more 90-95% Muslims to maybe 75-80% Chrsitians
: Well, i am being conservative in my estimates for the Muslims...
: And the Christians... I was being overly optimistic.
freako104: I am not most Chrsitians I know are good hearty people who follow the Bible
freako104: I would say it is a small sect that is assholes
: I know maybe 2 practicing Christians as opposed to the few hundred Christians I know.
: I have read the Bible.
freako104: I only read parts
: I know maybe 10 christians who have.
freako104: I know it is supposed to be what Christians live their lives by
: I will tell you that MOST Catholics have not read the Bible...
: I went to Catholic school, so I have that experience guiding me.
freako104: I was honestly abuout to ask how you knew that
: Not even my teachers read the Bible...
: And the priests read the Bible but only follow certain parts and not others.
: It was disturbing...
freako104: I thought that would be a requirement for a Catholiv school
: If I quoted the Bible, I got the "The Devil may quote Bible verse too" line.
: As if people aren't supposed to read it, just have the priest read the parts they want you to know to you.
freako104: I have heard that saying
freako104: did they do the same thing or just the teachers did that
: The teachers mainly, but the priest did that to me once.
: Listen, I'll talk to you later.
freako104: no prob
freako104: I will see you soon since I will be home for Fall Break
freako104: take catre
freako104: thanks again
: My head is killing me and our conversation is bringing up bad experiences I have had recently.
: No problem.
: Talk to you soon!
freako104: I apologise for that
: It's ok.
: Thanks.
freako104: tkae care and get well soon
: You don't need to apologize.
: Thanks man.
: Take care!
freako104: see you soon
: hopefully!

 

[Gonz]

Here, someone else that believes in commenting without opposition.

 

[IDLEchild]

: I am sorry you had to deal with these two guys...
: Just so you know, though... They will twist anything you have to say around to suit them.
: Logic doesn't mean shit to them obviously.
: If you read their threads... Logic is completely null and void.

Well this dude and I hold the same philosophy on debate then and treading in political subforums......

 

[brownjenkins]

confrontation is easy... understanding, very hard

 

[MrBishop]

confrontation is easy... understanding, very hard

aka
Its easy to wage war, but difficult to wage peace.

 

[freako104]

confrontation is easy... understanding, very hard

you are right about that but understanding is far better isnt it

 

[brownjenkins]

you are right about that but understanding is far better isnt it

definitely!

it's what i teach my kids... and if it works for them

 

[catocom]

I see there's a problem here.
Some say all Muslims shouldn't be categorized from what a few think.
So, shouldn't the title of this thread be "from 'one' Muslims POV"

 

[paul_valaru]

I see there's a problem here.
Some say all Muslims shouldn't be categorized from what a few think.
So, shouldn't the title of this thread be "from 'one' Muslims POV"

pick the nits!!!

lol

nope, "from A Muslims POV" implies one muslim

 

[tonksy]

in the navy POV stands for privately owned vehicle. it took me a minute to understand what you meant

 

[catocom]

pick the nits!!!

lol

nope, "from A Muslims POV" implies one muslim

Great!

Do you mind if I use this for reference elsewhere then, when it comes
"my" turn to make a point with it?

 

[Gato_Solo]

So far, your Muslim friend has said nothing that I, myself, haven't said before. The problem lies not with religion, but with people who presume to be the spokespersons for God. I can't think of any one religion that states it is not for peace, but once you throw people into the mix, you lose that.

 

[brownjenkins]

too true... add to that the fact that almost every country's government in the middle east, and not just the muslim ones, is hugely influenced by religious leadership... and you have a situation where the idea of seeing the situation from the pov of the opposition is damn-near impossible

 

[freako104]

So far, your Muslim friend has said nothing that I, myself, haven't said before. The problem lies not with religion, but with people who presume to be the spokespersons for God. I can't think of any one religion that states it is not for peace, but once you throw people into the mix, you lose that.

while this is true gato, we havent actually had any Muslims talk about their own Point of View. and some people on here seem to think they know it all about Islam. That is why I asked him and posted his and my convo on here. Becuase I think we should hear from a Muslim rather than people who arent.

 

[paul_valaru]

Great!

Do you mind if I use this for reference elsewhere then, when it comes
"my" turn to make a point with it?

lol no problem

 

[The Other One]

freako104: this is the thread
freako104: http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1611

freako104: I wanted to prove that Islam is not the evil cult he said it was
: He will still believe it... He is prejudiced.
: I am checking it out.
freako104: actually its 2 guys
: I will tell you whether it will help or not.
freako104: the one who started the thread and another named Gonz

: I am sorry you had to deal with these two guys...
: Just so you know, though... They will twist anything you have to say around to suit them.

cadorox: It won't hel pyou out any.
freako104: how come?
: Because it is in the past.
freako104: this kind of thing bothers me since I believe heavily in Ameirca

: Just so you know one o the posts was saying how Muslims will takea century or two to outnumber Christians...

: It will only take 5-20 years at the current rate of population growth...

: There are almost 900,000,000 Muslims world wide.

: For Muslims to outnumber Christians in the world.

: My head is killing me and our conversation is bringing up bad experiences I have had recently.

Actually, it's one guy, and one gal. Hellooo?

His head's killing him? Was that his way of making some kind of sick, twisted reference to the poor infidels that have been decapitated? Islamic humor---very funny, ha, ha.

 

[PT]

Actually, it's one guy, and one gal. Hellooo?

His head's killing him? Was that his way of making some kind of sick, twisted reference to the poor infidels that have been decapitated? Islamic humor---very funny, ha, ha.

: I am sorry you had to deal with these two guys...
: Just so you know, though... They will twist anything you have to say around to suit them.
: Logic doesn't mean shit to them obviously.
: If you read their threads... Logic is completely null and void.

Yep, sounds about right.

 

[paul_valaru]

Actually, it's one guy, and one gal. Hellooo?

His head's killing him? Was that his way of making some kind of sick, twisted reference to the poor infidels that have been decapitated? Islamic humor---very funny, ha, ha.

ancient zen riddle, what is the sound of no-one laughing?

 

[freako104]

Actually, it's one guy, and one gal. Hellooo?

His head's killing him? Was that his way of making some kind of sick, twisted reference to the poor infidels that have been decapitated? Islamic humor---very funny, ha, ha.

no. He has allergies. And he is supposed to know it is a girl and a guy? how? I didnt tell him that. I showed him the thread you started. Since it was on there you asked me to get him to post that, but since he wont due to well you saw it yourself I posted his and my convo on here. Now as for the humour: you seem to be the only one who found humour in that. And you refer to him as being sick?

 

[Gonz]

some of us refuse to speak with ghosts so this entire thread is useless.