Go here and sign this please

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Baaaahhhh...
 
sorry to pick up on this bit of the thread but i believe it pertinent to the thread and the discussion.

Shadowfax said:
It's a hard case, because justice is only relative.
In the eyes of the Nigerian government, they're bringing that woman to justice.
In our eyes, that's against human rights, thus the petition of Amnesty.

Executing criminals is right in our eyes (at least to some of us). Thus it's not against human rights.

See? It's all so relative...
The women did nothing wrong according to OUR laws, but she did according to THEIR laws.

I'm not saying I agree on her sentence, on the contrary. But I'm trying to make clear that justice isn't easily defined. It's all a matter of our own feeling of what is right and what is wrong.

And that is SO different in different cultures...
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firstly - justin made it clear about 7 posts in that 'if you don't want to sign it then don't'. hence, argument saying that justin was asking you to chnge your views is therefore irrelevant. to ask is to request. nowhere did he demand anything from anyone.

second, and with reference to the quote. the nigerian government does not support this sentence. as i read it [a few months ago, mind] the sentence was handed down under local shariah law, in states that have effectively broken away from the nigerian governement.
this is then the crux of the matter, the law used often [and quite likely to be the case in this instance] applied idiosyncratically and usually with political motive.
the intention is to force the nigerian government to try and stop them, it is a challenge.
 
Gato_Solo said:
originally dredged up by freako104
thats the death by stoning brought up by gf. now LL dont you think its hypocritical that she dies and hes not guilty when he had sex too?
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If you'll read further, you'll see that the punishment for the man is the exact same punishment as the punishment for the woman. Don't just yank things out of context and post them to make your point. You will lose all credibility doing so. Thank you.

gato, i didnt just yank it out of context. im getting at the fact its only the woman dying. if you tell me that do it yourself as well. justin, i agree with what you said totally. now all laws are up for interpertation. even ours are. the reason i dont want her to die is because of the child as well as there is no justification to it. i could understand if she killed him,or if she forced him to do something. also has anyone actully considered the fact she might not believe that its a sin? hmmm seems odd that someones "sin" isnt a sin to someone else. noone mentioned that. also dont most if not all religions call for forgiveness? thank you for taking my statements out of context gato. next time id appreciate if you wouldnt make such a general assumption about something. im trying not to and as i said people shouldnt have to live a lifestyle outside what they believe. but to die for a lifestyle is wrong.
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It's not just the woman who's dying. It's just that somebody decided to leave the part of the man being stoned as well out of their quote. If you read the whole thing, and not take things out of context, you'll see what I'm saying. Otherwise, you have as much credibility as the idiot that first buried the mans punishment at the bottom of the article. None.
 
Gato_Solo said:
It's not just the woman who's dying. It's just that somebody decided to leave the part of the man being stoned as well out of their quote. If you read the whole thing, and not take things out of context, you'll see what I'm saying. Otherwise, you have as much credibility as the idiot that first buried the mans punishment at the bottom of the article. None.
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My bad. It was a different couple, but it shows that men get punished all the same.
A court in the north central state of Niger has convicted a man and a woman of adultery after they admitted to a relationship outside marriage.
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Read it before you speak out.
 
allright it is the same but the women tend to be blamed more is true also(as i have said many religions tend to be chauvanistic even to the point of misogyny in some cases) although the sin is sin. and you caught your own mistake but your point was still made so the story was relevant but i am still wondering about the guy in this case.
 
If/when they catch up to him, he's as good as stoned. The only reason that the woman was caught is because she ended up pregnant...most likely when the husband was not around...

As for your slanted view on religion (chauvanistic), you must remember that some religions honor women, and some are clearly anti-male. That's why I am not 'religious'. Don't get me wrong...I DO believe in God...I just don't believe in people.

Remember this, though...If you know the rules and the consequences, and you break those rules, then you deserve what you get. It's nobody elses business what happens to you because you brought all that down upon yourself.
 
there are few religions i know of outside satanism and wicca(satanism being in the LeVey sense) that honour women and allow them any kind of authority. you might know the rules and such but as i said dont most if not all religions believe in forgiveness? and where is my view slanted? its no more slanted than yours. jsut different. and its also different in terms of the religion itself. some i respect more than others. i dont respect the idea that someone is dying for something that as far as i knwo, can be forgiven. also as i have said there is no reason for a person to die unless they are a threat. how is sex a threat? also as i said what if you dont believe in the religion yet are killed for it?
 
freako makes a good point - many mainstream religions in their current forms reduce the role and standing of women to below that of men. some even worship female figures highly [the catholic church for example] but still reduce women's standing under that relgion.

merely because the religion honours women does not mean that women are given equal standing under that faith. all too frequently they do not.
 
Your view is slanted in the phrase
as i have said many religions tend to be chauvanistic even to the point of misogyny in some cases
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. You made your case for 'religion as oppressor', and I explained that I don't believe in religion. If you wish to worship God, or Gods, then that's your business. Don't try to force your views on how to worship on me, and I'll do the same for you. Religion, as practiced today, is nothing more than a power play. God was left out of it some time ago.
 
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