Go here and sign this please

I signed that thing a while ago.

LL, just because someone doesn't believe in absolute truths, doesn't mean they can't act on anything even if all their instincts tell them too. Is it always so 'one or the other' with you? Not everything is black and white.

And I know you're gonna say that you know that, but if someone says they believe/don't believe in something - it doesn't necessarily dictate everything else they comment on in their life. There are always different circumstances and exceptions.
 
Lemme just clarify one thing LL, i don't give a flying fuck about religion and beliefs, cause to me its all a bunch of crap that people suffer, go to war,die for etc.. i just care about other humans lives and don't want to see a fellow human being suffer.
 
Not as an American, Not as a Capitalist, but as a Human Being, I put my two cents in. Don't think anyone deserves to die that way.
 
PuterTutor said:
Not as an American, Not as a Capitalist, but as a Human Being, I put my two cents in. Don't think anyone deserves to die that way.
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Well I can agree with you there :D I wouldn't even punish Osama bin Laden that way, its just too cruel to see the stones hitting a person, cutting the flesh, bruising, until he/she is quite dead.
 
You lose all your respect for him because he spoke his mind? In a discussion thread, no less. Perfect opportunity for this --> :retard: <-- smilie.

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I didn't sign it, because I'm certainly in no position to be making demands about any punishments for premarital sex/baby outside of wedlock. :headbang:
 
i did sign it but to what LL and IPH has said i did not sign it to impose my beliefs on another culture. i dont see why someone should be killed for their lifestyle. thats why i signed it. i know it seems like everyone hates america when we do stuff like this but this is with Amnesty international so there are other people in other countries that are signing it. also as i said in a thread on here why should someone die because they did something?? by that logic, anyone anywhere can be killed for anything. and shes a mother. the baby will need her(she will have a foster mother i know that but why kill the mother of a baby unless the mother is threatning the life of said baby?)
 
oh whoops it was mitchshaft not IPH. the clown avatar made me think it was. sorry about that. and i agree with Hexploit the man is just as guilty as the woman another reason that i signed it.
 
freako104 said:
oh whoops it was mitchshaft not IPH. the clown avatar made me think it was. sorry about that. and i agree with Hexploit the man is just as guilty as the woman another reason that i signed it.
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They define justice differently. Who are we to tell them their justice is inferior to ours?

OK hm, back to my usual right wing stance, our justice is superior to theirs, primarily because we've had 500+ years of philosophers including Locke, and so on. Thats why I don't believe right and wrong are defined by a culture for one thing :)
 
Sorry to interrupt but wasn't all of this already discussed in the "Death by Stoning" thread by Leslie? There are some questions here that are answered there, specifically about the man in the situation being punished also. Perhaps we should move this party over there so that everyone can read what was already discussed? Just a suggestion. :)
 
i know ours is different. i never said ours is better. i said that she shouldnt be killed simply because of a lifestyle. noones justice is better than another. im saying she shouldnt be killed simply because she had sex. shit man if killing people for living a different lifestyle is appropriate, then many if not most of us should be killed. thats in their eyes. and whos to stop them? were all different. all have different beliefs and such. that doesnt justify her being killed though. thats what i was getting at. also wheres the guy she had sex with? isnt he just as guilty?
 
http://otcentral.xibase.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2427&highlight=death+stoning


thats the death by stoning brought up by gf. now LL dont you think its hypocritical that she dies and hes not guilty when he had sex too?
 
freako104 said:
http://otcentral.xibase.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2427&highlight=death+stoning


thats the death by stoning brought up by gf. now LL dont you think its hypocritical that she dies and hes not guilty when he had sex too?
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I'm playing devil's advocate here. Its the socialists that always reprimand me for "forcing American culture" down on the world, but when it comes to something like this, I'm then suddenly good enough to judge another society and their ways.

As a right winger believing in absolute truths, I will judge other cultures, and I do think mine is better. :shrug: If you don't think your way is better or more right, you cannot judge or sign that petition because its a conflict in beliefs.
 
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thats the death by stoning brought up by gf. now LL dont you think its hypocritical that she dies and hes not guilty when he had sex too?
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If you'll read further, you'll see that the punishment for the man is the exact same punishment as the punishment for the woman. Don't just yank things out of context and post them to make your point. You will lose all credibility doing so. Thank you.

My own opinion? They knew the law, and they knew the consequences. Too bad, but I won't sign a petition to stop their punishment. It's not my job/business to tell others how to interpret their laws. It isn't yours either.
 
wheres the humane side to you? i just don't want someone to die for what i see as a dumbass reason, what they believe is up to them.
 
Justintime said:
wheres the humane side to you? i just don't want someone to die for what i see as a dumbass reason, what they believe is up to them.
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Dumbass for YOU, don't you get it?! You even tell US that it is dumbass to execute people for murder. When are you going to create a petition to object to OUR use of the death penalty? What YOU think is right isn't necessarily right.
 
It's a hard case, because justice is only relative.
In the eyes of the Nigerian government, they're bringing that woman to justice.
In our eyes, that's against human rights, thus the petition of Amnesty.

Executing criminals is right in our eyes (at least to some of us). Thus it's not against human rights.

See? It's all so relative...
The women did nothing wrong according to OUR laws, but she did according to THEIR laws.

I'm not saying I agree on her sentence, on the contrary. But I'm trying to make clear that justice isn't easily defined. It's all a matter of our own feeling of what is right and what is wrong.

And that is SO different in different cultures...
 
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