Iraq, would you turn back the clock?
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Squiggy
ThunderDick
If all Bin Laden had to worry about was musketts and lines of red targets to fire at, He wouldn't have either. Its apples and oranges. How is it worse for a terrorist to kill twelve civilians by blowing himself up than for American bombers to kill 5000 civilians by dropping bombs?
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Oh, wait... so we went to war because of oil, we're going to force the Iraqi people to do what we tell them for all time, and now the US military are terrorists?
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
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Squig, please... PLEASE tell me you're just playing devil's advocate here. Surely you don't believe what you are saying? 
HeXp£Øi±
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I'm contesting the definition of terrorism here Squig and nothing more. You say it's mearly a poor mans tool but would you blow yourself up to splatter the flesh of small children on the ground for any reason? I don't believe you would. Yet i believe you would have firebombed berlin in WWII even though thousands of innocents may have died in the process. The motive behind terrorism is to cause as much pain and suffering as possible hence the word terrorism. Even though some of our motives may have been misguided they are no where close to such morbidity.
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Oh, but he did, and I didn't even have to do any twisting. 
outside looking in
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Does it rub you the wrong way to think that there is a difference between unintended civilian casualties, and civilians BEING THE MOTHERFUCKING TARGET OF THE BOMB?
Once again... Jesus Christ.
Once again... Jesus Christ.
Squiggy
ThunderDick
HeXp£Øi± said:
I understand that, Hex. I'm not angered by the discussion.
You say it's mearly a poor mans tool but would you blow yourself up to splatter the flesh of small children on the ground for any reason? I don't believe you would.[/b]
I don't know what lengths I would go to if I were experiencing a lifetime of what goes on over there. I don't condone it. But I understand the psycology of it.
I am not arguing in favor of barbaric minds. But Bin Laden is not just the barbarian who took out the WTC. His personal efforts against Russia in Afghanistan were very noble and heroic. Most aren't even aware of what went on there then and choose to remain ignorant of it. All they know of Bin Laden is what the government spoon fed us.
I have no problem recognizing our own screw ups. For some reason there are many who see that as unamerican. I'd rather look at things for what they are instead of twisting and whining about the words...
ris
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PuterTutor said:Exactly.
We probably did tell some lies, but I don't think we told as many as Saddam. I honestly believe the country is better off today, and will be much better off a year from today, than it was six months ago, or even 15 years ago. I don't like the fact that we have become the worlds police, but on the other hand, is that really such a bad thing?
i suppose that's the part that irks me - saddam is/was a very nasty bit of work. he lied he killed and he lied some more. but to say that we lied and killed less makes it ok is bothersome - trading lies for war and lives is not the way i want my country to do things in the world.
how do we expect to get the respect and support of other countries when we have been shown to have delivered them falsehoods for their support? how can we seriously look at those who opposed us in such a bad light when we lied and lied and lied to them over the reasons for war.
the worst part of this is the terrorists, i think it was the president of egypt who said that the war in iraq had the potential to create a million more bin ladens. hatred and distrust of the us and uk grows now - not only for the acts of war but for the dishonesty of propogating it. if the intention was to destroy terorrism it might have serioulsy failed.
HeXp£Øi±
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I wasn't speaking of anger concerning this discussion but of your anger towards the administration and our actions towards Iraq. I won't dispute the fact either that Bin Laden might have fought for some noble causes but that in no way justifes him of his crimes.
I also prefer to see things as they are rather than how others would prefer i see them but words are important. The reality is as i said in the beginning of this discussion, we may be imperialists and we may even be wrong, we are not however, terrorists.
I also prefer to see things as they are rather than how others would prefer i see them but words are important. The reality is as i said in the beginning of this discussion, we may be imperialists and we may even be wrong, we are not however, terrorists.
