ObamaCare revisited

[spike]

Cause then you wouldn't be able stay in FEAR. Oh noez! I'm going too be taxed into oblivion!

 

[Gonz]

You don't seem capable of discussing this issue without making up fictional shit.

We've alreadty covered this.

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT 1
COVERAGE. 2
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV- 3
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of 4
this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov- 5
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health 6
insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance 7
coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the 8
first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met: 9
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.— 10
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in 11
this paragraph, the individual health insurance 12
issuer offering such coverage does not enroll 13
any individual in such coverage if the first ef- 14
fective date of coverage is on or after the first 15
day of Y1. 16
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PER- 17
MITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect 18
the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an 19
individual who is covered as of such first day. 20
(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR 21
CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except 22
as required by law, the issuer does not change any 23
of its terms or conditions, including benefits and 24
cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be- 25
fore the first day of Y1.

pdf of HR3200

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Cause then you wouldn't be able stay in FEAR. Oh noez!

This is not a thread about global warming fearmongering.

 

[spike]

We've alreadty covered this.

Yeah, I remember we figured out in no way does it get rid of private insurance. It keeps insurance companies from changing terms you've agreed to.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Y It keeps insurance companies from changing terms you've agreed to.

EVER!

 

[spike]

This is not a thread about global warming fearmongering.

I know, some people would be saying "it's a hoax!" or "it's a swindle!" instead of rationally looking at the facts.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

I know, some people would be saying "it's a hoax!" or "it's a swindle!" instead of rationally looking at the facts.

And that is exactly what we've been telling you, Global warming is a hoax and a swindle.

Climategate is here.

 

[spike]

EVER!

Nope, it looks like the insurance companies can't change your terms on grandfathered coverage. If they want to change terms it would no longer count as grandfathered.

 

[spike]

And that is exactly what we've been telling you, Global warming is a hoax and a swindle.

There's the fear mongering. That's what the lobbyists want you to believe. Most scientists know better though.

 

[H2O boy]

scientists recently determined that ice melts when it gets warm enough too. do you expect us to put our future in the hands of well financed morons who take years to determine what a 3 year old knows...

wait. you expect us to put our future in the hands of slobbering retards who want people to surrender their health care, stop driving, follow the risen star of chicago, and let seattleites govern farming. neverfuckinmind

 

[spike]

scientists recently determined that ice melts when it gets warm enough too. do you expect us to put our future in the hands of well financed morons who take years to determine what a 3 year old knows...

Sorry you're wrong they didn't recently determine that. They figured that out long ago.

wait. you expect us to put our future in the hands of slobbering retards who want people to surrender their health care, stop driving, follow the risen star of chicago, and let seattleites govern farming. neverfuckinmind

Sorry again. Nobody wants you to surrender your healthcare or stop driving or let seattlites govern farming. Kinda weird that you even think that.

I also noticed that you once had a problem with me using the term "retard" because you have a mentally disabled kid or something. Now you are using it. How's that work?

 

[catocom]

Sorry you're wrong they didn't recently determine that. They figured that out long ago.

thanks, I needed that

 

[Cerise]

Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low

Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.

Half the survey was conducted before the Senate voted late Saturday to begin debate on its version of the legislation. Support for the plan was slightly lower in the half of the survey conducted after the Senate vote.

Only 16% now believe passage of the plan will lead to lower health care costs. Nearly four times as many (60%) believe the plan will increase health care costs. Most (54%) also believe passage of the plan will hurt the quality of care.

The latest numbers show support from 73% of those in the president’s party. The plan is opposed by 83% of Republicans and 70% of unaffiliated voters.

Support for health care has declined along with President Obama's approval ratings. For the first time in the Obama era, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index has been in negative double digits for nine straight days.

It's a no win situation for the dims. obama can pass a bill that only his hard core base wants but that independents and conservative democrats hate. Or, he can veto it and distance himself from his base.

There is a 70% disapproval among independents. The same independents that polls show moving to the right.

The harder dims try to ruin the health care system the more they will hurt themselves.

 

[MrBishop]

The more anyone swallows up the bait laid out by the Insurance Companies, the less they understand about what the public option is all about. Of course people are against the Insurance Companies' favorite boogie-men (Death-panels etc).

IMHO, Obama should've actually fought for the whole nine yards. Single-payer (GVT) Public Universal Healthcare.

Those that are fighting against the public option neither understand it, nor realize that they're actually fighting against their own good and for the bottom line of the ICs.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Health Care Reform
Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low

Date --------- Favor ------- Oppose
Nov 21-22 --- 38% -------- 56%​

Do not want.

 

[spike]

Support for the public option is high. Many want even stronger support than the compromise in the current bill.

Public option gains support
CLEAR MAJORITY NOW BACKS PLAN
Americans still divided on overall packages



By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support from the public.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html

Do want.

 

[Winky]

ObamaCare rammed up your ass!

I WANT Scarlett Johansson nekkid in my bed
and a McClaren MP4-12C in my garage.

So why the Hell hasn't Osammie delivered them yet!?!

-

 

[Gonz]

Yeah, I remember we figured out in no way does it get rid of private insurance. It keeps insurance companies from changing terms you've agreed to.

(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.

How long before your private carrier can't afford you anymore?

(3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.— The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific grandfathered health insurance coverage without changing the premium for all enrollees in the same risk group at the same rate, as specified by the Commissioner.

Oh look, they can't ask you to pay more for your increasing coverage. That means they'll go out of business. "What", you say, "it says unless everybody gets a rate increase". YOu would be correct except that the other part already said any change to the policy renders the policy void.

(b) GRACE PERIOD FOR CURRENT EMPLOYMENT-BASED HEALTH PLANS.—(1) GRACE PERIOD.— (A) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner shall establish a grace period whereby, for plan years beginning after the end of the 5-year period beginning with Y1, an employment-based health plan in operation as of the day before the first day of Y1 must meet the same requirements as apply to a qualified health benefits plan under section 101, including the essential benefit package requirement under section 121

Oh good, if the plan doesn't meet the requirements in 5 years, the government plan will do, ending the useless need for private carriers.

 

[spike]

How long before your private carrier can't afford you anymore?

No danger of that.

Oh look, they can't ask you to pay more for your increasing coverage. That means they'll go out of business. "What", you say, "it says unless everybody gets a rate increase". YOu would be correct except that the other part already said any change to the policy renders the policy void.

Sorry Gonz it just says that they can change the premium for an entire risk group.

Oh good, if the plan doesn't meet the requirements in 5 years, the government plan will do, ending the useless need for private carriers.

Cool they have 5 years to meet requirements. Thats'a good sized grace period. I like it.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

You would like it.

All the commies do.