Overstepping their authority, again

I guess I was misinformed about the "for a profit" bit.

He said that during the hearing Fed chairman Mr Bernanke disclosed that the Treasury would attempt to buy these debts from banks at close to their "hold-to-maturity" value, not the market value.

"In practice, it means banks who sell their debts to the Treasury would receive cash equivalent to something like twice the value in their books of these poisonous assets," our correspondent said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7631500.stm
:evileek2:

*Big bonuses for the Banking CEOs :moneybang:
 
I've been watch the house committee and senate today, and just like
mccain/kennedy , the lines have been full, and both sides seem to be backing off of it.

this was mostly later in the day.
Gold dove down, and I expect the markets will respond positively tomorrow,
or at least hold.
 
spoof of the Nigerian Scam
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This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to [email protected] so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
 
:rofl::crying3::crying5:

what I wanna know is why this has to be done so fast all the sudden like.

We've not yet gotten a good answer IMO.

I'd at least like to see some of the bleeding parts of these companies.
We've only heard the big numbers, we need more breakdown, and transparency here,
just to think about starting to work this out.
 
The foreign markets took a royal shit also.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430381,00.html

Asian Stocks Nose Dive After Rejection of Bailout
Tuesday, September 30, 2008

TOKYO — The historic carnage on Wall Street reverberated across Asia Tuesday, with stock markets in the region plunging after U.S. lawmakers rejected a US$700 billion bank rescue plan aimed at stabilizing the U.S. financial system.

All major Asian stock markets in the region tumbled across the board, succumbing to heightened fears of a broader global financial crisis.

Japan's benchmark Nikkei 225 index nose-dived more than 544 points, or 4.6 percent, to 11,199.07, with popular stocks like Sony Corp. down 6.8 percent and Toyota Motor Corp. down 4.6 percent.

In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng index sank 3.6 percent. Markets in Australia, South Korea and the Philippines were also down sharply.

Japanese Prime Minsiter Taro Aso urged the country's financial officials to closely monitor the situation and take appropriate measures to protect the world's No. 2 economy, according to Kyodo News agency.

"We have to respond appropriately in order not to affect the Japanese economy and to prevent the financial system from falling apart," Aso was quoted as saying.

Japan's banks have relatively little exposure to the bad mortgages at the core of the global credit crisis, but investors are worried that a slowdown in the U.S. and global economy will hurt demand for exports.

Traders were stunned by the U.S. House of Representatives' rejection Monday of a US$700 billion emergency bailout package that would have allowed the government to buy bad mortgages and other sour assets held by troubled banks and other financial institutions. With elections in November, many lawmakers were unwilling to take the political risk of supporting a measure that many American voters see as an undeserved bailout for rich, reckless investment bankers.

The Dow Jones industrial average plunged 777 points Monday, its biggest ever single-day drop, or nearly 7 percent, to 10,365.45, its lowest close in nearly three years.

"This is a bad development," Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told reporters in the capital, Canberra. He urged U.S. lawmakers to urgently return to negotiations to come up with a deal that will prevent further infection of world markets.

Rudd said Australia's banking system was better regulated than the U.S. system and was better prepared for financial shocks, but that the failure to pass the package was another worrying sign in already tough times.

"The attitude that we will adopt, and I believe other friends and allies of the United States will adopt, is to urge the United States Congress to pass this or a similar measure when it is re-presented to the Congress later this week," he said.

Australia's benchmark S&P/ASX-200 index fell more than 5.3 percent within half an hour of the opening, but trimmed some losses as trading progressed. By afternoon trading, it was down 3.7 percent.

The key index in Taiwan's stock market, closed Monday for a typhoon, fell as much as 6.1 percent, even though Vice Premier Paul Chiu urged investors to have confidence in the island's export-driven economy and its financial markets.

The chaos also sapped the dollar overnight. The greenback was trading at 104.14 yen Tuesday morning in Asia from above 106 yen a day earlier, adding further pressure on major exporters.
 
interesting piece...
The authors make a great deal of the idea that there is no "neutral" default rule-any way you arrange the desserts, you are biasing the outcome. This point deserves more attention than they give it. Suppose President John McCain were to implement a policy of opt-out national service. We might reasonably object on the grounds that it would all too clearly communicate that individuals need reasons not to serve the state. If allowed to stand, such a policy could shape social expectations and individual preferences in a direction at odds with individual liberty. Soon enough we might find ourselves asking, "Why should you be able to opt out at all?" The initial paternalistic nudge may "leave the choice open," but accepting the legitimacy of certain nudges may eventually diminish the value we place on liberty.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9681
 
expected
Market is ajusting, and we'll soon see the new economy.
What' you're seeing now is some vulturing. Big banks (Citi) buying up weakened smaller banks. Plus an influx of cash into the Money Markets to avoid runs. The bounce is profiteers taking advantage of dropped stock prices.

Early tomorrow, they'll sell for their quick profits and do a few puts in anticipation of a 2nd stalled vote.

Vultures, the lot of'em!
 
I believe you're right.

I've already predicted, I believe the bottom will be seen wed.
Thur, the congress will see way more clearly what Need be.
 
I think that it'll go up for a third vote...may well fail on the 2nd vote Thursday.

It's still not a popular bailout on both sides of the aisle....doesn't help that a lot of these people are up for a vote in a few weeks. They'll want to keep their jobs.

They'll want to be able to say:
If it proves to be a bad idea - "I tried to block it but was overruled by those damned <insert political party here>"
If it proves to be a good idea - "I voted it down because I didn't think that it was strong enough in it's first draft"
 
The RNC ran an ad blamin Obama for the passage of the bailout. :laugh:

The Reps are in complete disarray. Most of the republican congress doesn't even support Bush or McCain now.
 
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