S. Korea opens stem cell bank

Murdering babies? Ripping apart little bodies? WTF are you on about?

I've said it about 100 times, but your brains seem to have leaked out of your ears.

YOU CANNOT USE ABORTUSES FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH!!!
therefore
STEM CELL RESEARCH DOES NOT PROMOTE ABORTION
therefore
"stem-cell research promoting abortion" is an inane statement.

...and anyone, including yourself, who insists on using the emotionally chaged words like babies, killing, murder and abortion in relation to this kind of research deserves to have their position ridiculed and yes...called inane.
 
Professur said:
Murder a baby to let someone who wrecked a motorcycle doing 150 mph, killing three other people in the process walk again. Yeah, that works.
I could be wrong but I don't think killing babies to help convicted manslaughterers is really how stem cell research works.
 
flavio said:
I could be wrong but I don't think killing babies to help convicted manslaughterers is really how stem cell research works.

Just an agrandized example, for emphasis, Flav. The simple fact is that I don't think anyone is worth tearing apart embryos for. Clone, testtube, or in utero. They can take all the stemcells they want out of the placenta (and I authorized all three of my kid's afterbirths for science) but if you start it on it's path to becoming a human and then destroy it .... it's murder. And I will hold to that 'till my dying breath.
 
flavio said:
I could be wrong but I don't think killing babies to help convicted manslaughterers is really how stem cell research works.
Using potential life to help actual life...plenty of potential for life out there.
1.7billion ova shed monthly and naturally. Thousands of frozen embryos destined for the incineration ovens.

They're going to be destroyed anyway. Either its a complete waste or can be used to help save peoples lives. The loss of potentiality is equal.

The basis is... take stem cells from frozen and fertilized embryos. Grow them in culture, and use them to do things like repair nerve damage, grow replacment organs for self-donation, grow skin for grafting etc etc...

Seems basic. Looks can be deceiving.

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Plenty of people out there would call it murder, or worst, based on the potential for life. You may find that those same people wouldn't lift one finger to save the life of an actual person whom they didn't know. Millions dying of AIDS - who cares! Millions more dying of malnutrition - who cares! Countless people dying in wars, global events (floods, tsunamis, earthquakes) - who cares! BUT...dare touch a mass of a few hundred cells who've never seen the inside of a euterus and have near zero potential for actual life? They're up in arms! :shrug:
 
Man torches self in Hwang Woo-suk protest
Grizzly end for stem cell supporter
By Lester Haines
Published Monday 6th February 2006 11:22 GMT


A South Korean man died on Saturday after dousing himself with paint thinner and setting himself on fire in support of disgraced stem cell scientist Hwang Woo-suk, Reuters reports. Shortly before his suicide in the centre of Seoul he distributed around 30 leaflets "calling for Hwang to carry on his studies".

The truck driver from the city of Pusan has been identified by his family name - Chung. The local Yonhap news agency says he was a member of the "I love Hwang Woo-suk" chat room, although he had not previously taken part in pro-Hwang rallies. He left a message in the chat room calling for "a gathering in Seoul on Saturday in support of the disgraced researcher".

Hwang claimed to have produced tailored stem cells, but it was found he and his team had fabricated the results. An investigation later showed he had indeed produced the world's first cloned dog, but the stem cell scandal finished Hwang's career. He now faces possible prosecution for misuse of state funds. Prosecutors raided his home last Thursday as part of the ongoing investigation. ®

Yeah, that's about as intelligent as I expect his supporters to be

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Prosecutors indict cloning scientist




SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Disgraced South Korean cloning scientist Hwang Woo-suk was indicted on fraud and bio-ethics law violations linked to faked stem cell research, prosecutors said Friday.

Hwang will not immediately be arrested, prosecution official Lee In-kyu said in a nationally televised news conference.

The scientist was hailed as a global stem cell pioneer and treated as a national hero until investigations late last year forced him to admit he fabricated key data in two papers published in academic journals.

He made a public apology but was later fired from his post as a professor at Seoul National University's veterinary department and the government conducted a probe into his finances.

Auditors said in February it was unclear how Hwang spent the equivalent of $3 million Cdn he received in government funds and private donations.

Through last year, Hwang received $36 million in government funds for his research, as well as $7 million in private donations, the audit board said

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SKorean scientist admits falsifying stem cell study
By BO-MI LIM -- Associated Press

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- A discredited South Korean cloning scientist admitted in court Tuesday to ordering subordinates to falsify stem cell data for a paper in a scientific journal, but he insisted he should not be the only one blamed in the scandal.

Hwang Woo-suk, who falsely claimed breakthroughs in creating stem cells from cloned human embryos, testified at the second hearing of a trial in which he is accused of accepting funds under false pretenses, embezzlement and violating the bioethics law by purchasing eggs for research.

For a 2005 paper in the journal Science, Hwang acknowledged that he told researchers to make it appear as if they were basing their results on 11 cloned embryonic stem cell lines, rather than the two lines they were working with.

But he said his researchers also share the blame.

"It was definitely wrong," Hwang testified. "I have no intention to escape the overall responsibility, but I feel differently about the view that all responsibility should lie with me as one of over 30 authors" of the study.

Even the two stem cells which Hwang believed his team created from cloned embryos were also later found to be fakes. They were actually ordinary stem cells created from fertilized eggs, not from cloned embryos.

Prosecutors have concluded that a junior researcher on Hwang's team brought the regular stem cells into the lab and deceived Hwang into believing that they were cloned. The junior researcher also has been charged.

Hwang had previously admitted to inflating some data for his research claims, published by prestigious international journals in 2004 and 2005 and now deemed false. In an earlier hearing, he testified that the data in the 2004 study was also falsified without his knowledge.

The scientist also maintained on the stand Tuesday that he did not violate the ban on purchasing eggs for research, saying he merely compensated the doctor who provided him with eggs from donors "out of gratitude," rather than as a commercial transaction.

The prestigious Seoul National University fired Hwang earlier this year after concluding that his research claims were fabricated.

Hwang has maintained that he has the technology to clone embryonic stem cells, and his lawyer, Lee Geon-haeng, said last month that he plans to open a new lab and resume research sometime in July. His prospects were unclear, however, since he is no longer authorized to conduct such research in South Korea.

Hwang was indicted in May for allegedly accepting more than $2 million in private donations based on the outcome of the falsified research and embezzling about $850,000 in private and government research funds.

If convicted, the 52-year-old scientist faces at least three years in prison. Hwang is being tried along with five colleagues who face similar charges.


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I repeat:

"It's the politicians' role to deal properly with the controversy over life ethics so that it cannot block scientific research and progress."

Dr. Mengele, your patients await you
 
Stem cells derived from 'dead' human embryo

Stem cells derived from 'dead' human embryo


NEW YORK (AP) — Scientists say they have created a stem cell line from a human embryo that had stopped developing naturally, and so was considered dead. Using such embryos might ease ethical concerns about creating such cells, they suggested.

One expert said the technique makes harvesting stem cells no more ethically troublesome than organ donation. But others said it still carries scientific and ethical problems.

Scientists want to use human embryonic stem cells to study diseases and create transplant tissue for treating illnesses such as diabetes and Parkinson’s disease. Such cells are taken from human embryos that are a few days old, and the harvesting process destroys the embryo. That raises ethical objections.

The new work, published online Thursday by the journal Stem Cells, comes from Miodrag Stojkovic of the Prince Felipe Research Center in Valencia, Spain, with colleagues there and in England.

They studied embryos donated by an in vitro fertilization clinic with consent of the patients. Part of the work focused on 132 “arrested” embryos, those that had stopped dividing for 24 or 48 hours after reaching various stages of development.

Thirteen of these embryos had developed more than the others, reaching 16 to 24 cells before cell division stopped. Scientists were able to create a stem cell line from just one of these embryos.

These stem cells performed normally on a series of tests, Stojkovic said in a telephone interview.

He said he did not know whether the result indicated a solution to ethical concerns about embryonic stem cells. The point of the research was to show that such embryos provide an additional source of the cells beyond healthy embryos, rather than to set up any kind of a competition, he said. Both sources should be used, he said.

Dr. Donald W. Landry, director of the division of experimental therapeutics at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, who proposed the idea of getting stem cells from arrested embryos in 2004, called the work an important addition to the field.

“Regardless of how you feel about personhood for embryos, if the embryo is dead, then the issue of personhood is resolved,” Landry said.

“This then reduces the ethics of human embryonic stem cell generation to the ethics of, say, organ donation. So now you’re really saying, ‘Can we take live cells from dead embryos the way we take live organs from dead patients?”’

Landry is part of a consortium that is pursuing the approach.

But others said the approach fails to solve the ethical problems.

There is no way to prove that an arrested embryo would have stopped growing if it had been put into a woman’s womb rather than a lab dish, said Robin Lovell-Badge of the Medical Research Council’s National Institute for Medical Research in London. So that leaves open the possibility that it was the lab conditions that halted their growth, he said.

The Rev. Tad Pacholczyk, director of education for the National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia, said he believed an embryo may not be dead if individual cells are still alive and able to create stem cell lines.

Landry says an embryo is dead if its cells irreversibly stop working together to function as a single organism. But even under that definition, Pacholczyk said, scientists know too little about early embryos to discern when one is truly dead.

Dr. George Daley of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute said the new paper’s approach also raises a scientific concern: Stem cells from arrested embryos might carry the risk of some undetected defect.

“If there was something wrong with the embryo that made it arrest, isn’t there something wrong with these cells?” that could cause problems with their use, he asked. “We don’t know.”

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Ali endorses Mich. gov. for re-election

By DAVID N. GOODMAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Oct 4, 11:19 PM ET

DETROIT - Boxing legend Muhammad Ali endorsed Michigan's Democratic governor for re-election on Wednesday, saying he backed Jennifer Granholm's efforts to overturn the state's ban on embryonic stem cell research.


Ali has Parkinson's disease, a condition that stem cell research advocates say might be treated or cured through such research.

"She wants talented researchers and businesses around the world — who are working on cures for devastating and gut-wrenching diseases right now — to relocate here ... but she's been hindered in her efforts to attract them because our laws are too restrictive," Ali and his wife, Lonnie, said in a statement released by the Granholm campaign.

State law does not permit Michigan researchers to get embryos left over from fertility treatments in the state. State scientists can use embryonic stem cell lines from California, Illinois or other states with less restrictive laws, but those lines sometimes are patented by other researchers.

Opponents say embryonic stem cell research destroys human life, one reason
President Bush earlier this year vetoed federal legislation expanding federal funding of such research.

Granholm supports state legislation that would allow more embryonic stem cell research in Michigan. Her Republican challenger, Dick DeVos, said he opposed embryonic stem cell research but supported research using adult stem cells.

Ali and Granholm were to have appeared together at a morning rally at a Detroit union hall, but his plane was grounded by stormy weather near his southwestern Michigan home.

DeVos spokesman John Truscott said Granholm has been "basically silent" when it comes to promoting the permitted forms of stem cell research.

"She hasn't taken a leadership role in moving forward research that's allowed by our laws ... whether it be policies or programs that move forward adult stem cell research," he said.

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Nothing quite like self interest, is there. This 'fuck' spends decades getting his head beaten in for money, and now wants to make it easier to have babies destroyed in search of a cure for his own voluntarily-imposed brain damage.
 
Ali had been one of the greatest boxers around but it is a no brainer that his Parkinson is self induced by being in the ring and being beaten silly...
 
In all fairness to the animalistic sport of boxing, Parkinsons isn't a product of head trauma. Of course, politics very well may be.
 
Really? so what is the cause?

The cause of Parkinson's disease is unknown. Many researchers believe that several factors combined are involved: free radicals, accelerated aging, environmental toxins, and genetic predisposition.
 
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