The Anti-Socialist Promise
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randomJACKASS
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You forget that hardcore cons only care about themselves and figuring out how to fuck you out of yours to have more for themselves.
OK. Either way it's wrong & not constitutional
That might just be the dumbest thing you've ever said..
[edit]on 2nd thought, no, but it is stupid
spike
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Actually it makes a ton of sense to fix a huge problem our citizens are having and catch up to other countries in the healthcare arena. That would be right.
As for Constitutional that you've played out that argument. You showed time and time again that you did not care about the Constitution under Bush. It's hypocritical for you to keep throwing it out there when you think it's convenient for your argument.
Also you somehow stretched the ability to declare war into permission to declare war on anyone and anytime for any reason. To invade countries who aren't threatening us, to have bases all over the world in countries we aren't fighting, nation building, spreading democracy, bringing countries "out of the 2nd century". Damn, that's clearly not what the founders intended.
We're going to say the right to life and the general welfare clearly allow healthcare. At least it's far far less of a stretch than you've made. It also makes more sense for the citizens. As more Americans die because they lack of health insurance to get the treatments they need than terrorism, homicide, drunk driving and HIV combined.
Catch up to other countries? Didn't you rmomma ever tell you not to be a sheep. Other countries have different priorities than the USA. Other countries also pay their corporations to compete agaisnt ours. Should we pay ours to compete too? Of course not.
The problem we have in teh healtchcare industry is created by the same people that created the recent housing collapse...the federal government. By forcing a corporation to follow gov't set guidelines, the rules are altered. Capitalism cann't work as inteded & everyone gets hurt. Fer chrissake, look at Medicare. Trace its history. It's a house of cards set in front of a fan.
I've never backed off my full support of the absolute Constitution. I explained, several times, the reasoning behind my support of the federal warpowers. I'll explain again....It is a war. The rules have changed under a war situation. They've also always been reverted. The alternative is the President using his constitutionally mandated authority to declare martial law & suspending habeas corpus, as well as every other guarantee. That woudl have been worse than listening to a few middleeast to US phone calls.
Look at the wording. It's clear as a bell. Congress has teh authority to declare war. PERIOD. There are no limitations to that power.
That is most likely true. However, they set forth the rules to allow Congress to declare war as Congress see's fit.
I've shown you that Madision & Jefferson both made it clear that general welfare is not meant as an open ended expense. There are far more pressing concerns to our citizens (food & housing) that are not general welfare. Healthcare is a gov't created problem. Get gov't out of it & allow the system to work.
Those numbers are, as it turns out, quite suspect...starting with th esimple fact that we're at least 3times larger than any other country. The population base alone skews the numbers. (accidents, crime)
randomJACKASS
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Did you author this? If it is you, I am figuring you modeled it around Gonz's line of bullshit... Er, ahem, I mean ¹philosophies?
If you did write it it is sheer brilliance!
¹As indicated by his posts, which are for all I know most likely meant as satire....
spike
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My momma told be to be competetive. When I see someone else doing better I try to improve. The US should improve their healthcare so they're not lagging behind so much.
Lack of regulation caused the housing collapse. The healthcare problem is because our system is based on greed instead of fixing people. Repeat customers make money. Not fixing people and not seeing them again. Full hospitals make money not empty ones with a bunch of healthy people running around outside.
So you supported going against the Constitution because you got scared into it.
So you're just hoping without any guarantee that they'll give up this power at some future date when there are no more terrorists.
That's certainly not all they're listening to. Do a little research.
Declare war. Not invade countries that aren't threatening us without declaring war, not "bring them out of the 2nd century", not "spreading democracy", not having permanent bases in countries we're not fighting.
But you don't care what they intended.
And I showed you Hamilton's interpretation.
Nope, this is about the most pressing concern. Not as many people are dying from starvation or exposure as are from health related concerns. Healthcare is not a gov't created problem. They're not dropping coverage, denying claims, and denying people with pre-existing conditions because of the government. That would be bullshit. It's the greed and inefficiency.
No, the fact that more Americans die because they lack of health insurance to get the treatments they need than terrorism, homicide, drunk driving and HIV combined has nothing to do with the size of our country.
randomJACKASS
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spike
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Hamilton contributed to the Constitution, was a signatory, and a large contributor to the Federalist papers. There's no logical way to discount him. Sorry.
No, you have no backing for this statement. It's not even rational. It's also not the numbers we were talking about. The statement in question is this...
"more Americans die because they lack of health insurance to get the treatments they need than terrorism, homicide, drunk driving and HIV combined has nothing to do with the size of our country."
This has nothing to do with the size of our country and is not affected by other countries statistics. You just add up the numbers.
I'm assuming you've conceded the other points of mine that you ignored.
randomJACKASS
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You should assume that these folks will only concede to being duped by the distortions ,lies and fear mongering they wish was true!
Sometimes you defy belief spike, in your ruthless attempts to "win" the argument. These folks are not even capable of comprehending the idea of actually investigating anything but their pet theory, or admitting to the possibility that they are wrong. Agenda is everything to them. They are sometimes even willing to accept lies and even spread them in an effort to further the larger picture of their agenda.
Don't get me wrong, we progressives sometimes get close minded too, me included, but at least liberals and progressives are thinkers who really try to look at all angles. Deep thinkers do not conservatives make. Even conservatives who possess high IQs just aren't capable of deep thought, or at least refuse to engage in it.
Conservatives for the most part are just sheep. That is why they always try to call others sheep, because they hate the fact that it is them that are sheep. They also hate it wen 2minkey gets bored and sneaks out into the barn and night and buttfucks one!
Sometimes you defy belief spike, in your ruthless attempts to "win" the argument. These folks are not even capable of comprehending the idea of actually investigating anything but their pet theory, or admitting to the possibility that they are wrong. Agenda is everything to them. They are sometimes even willing to accept lies and even spread them in an effort to further the larger picture of their agenda.
Don't get me wrong, we progressives sometimes get close minded too, me included, but at least liberals and progressives are thinkers who really try to look at all angles. Deep thinkers do not conservatives make. Even conservatives who possess high IQs just aren't capable of deep thought, or at least refuse to engage in it.
Conservatives for the most part are just sheep. That is why they always try to call others sheep, because they hate the fact that it is them that are sheep. They also hate it wen 2minkey gets bored and sneaks out into the barn and night and buttfucks one!
Cerise
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They also hate it wen 2minkey gets bored and sneaks out into the barn and night and buttfucks one!
Uh, oh. Now you've done it!
Albert Einstein said:
As for proving it minkey, sorry, I don't have the time. You may, if you are so inclined.
Just a little FYI...
The reason I'm so rabid is I did investigate. I investigated 30+ years worth of lies that I'd been told by the media, the pols & the intelligencia. I didn't gradually move right. I was propelled with such force that a lesser men would have cracked. The lies & distortions were so amazingly clear once the societal blinders were removed. Polite society be damned. Speak the truth...
ResearchMonkey
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Beheading your own children for food makes more sense than responding to a progressive liberal in any real debate.
ResearchMonkey
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oxymoron. It would require a rational progressive point.
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