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Too cute for words
We're headed there beacause of unfavorable reporting.
Chicken & the egg.
Which came first, the incredible ineptitude and lies or the unfavorable reporting?
We're headed there beacause of unfavorable reporting.
Chicken & the egg.
See Germany, 1945 - 1980s.
Why do you hate this country? Just say it, you'll feel better if you do.
By ignoring the principles the country was founded on it would be you who hates this country.
i've learned a lot form this thread...
- that questioning the wisdom of the iraq war or the competence of its architects means that you're a liberal yellowbellied america-hater.
- that the press is actually responsible for how poorly the war is going.
- that the grand scheme behind the war is unknowable. and even if it were, most of us are just too dumb to understand the wider implications for foreign policy, or lack the stomach to make the "tough choices" that several wiser members here have so seriously considered in between handfuls of low grade, salty snack products purchased at wal-mart, during commercial breaks in COPs.
i still feel like i have a lot to learn.
i've learned a lot form this thread...
- that questioning the wisdom of the iraq war or the competence of its architects means that you're a liberal yellowbellied america-hater.
- that the press is actually responsible for how poorly the war is going.
- that the grand scheme behind the war is unknowable. and even if it were, most of us are just too dumb to understand the wider implications for foreign policy, or lack the stomach to make the "tough choices" that several wiser members here have so seriously considered in between handfuls of low grade, salty snack products purchased at wal-mart, during commercial breaks in COPs.
i still feel like i have a lot to learn.
My goodness, your highness. Did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed?
mmm.
you wish to compare Germany circa 1945 with modern day Iraq?
I take your point,
but look forward to you dealing with the all the many differences in time, place, will, people, structures, economics, religions, beliefs, happenings, continent, time, world of that time, geography, politics, situation, family ties, changes in technologies, exported wealth, nationalism, the advent of mass media, the over-whelming European desire to reconstruct germany after the mistakes of WW1, the differences in language, situation, cultures, the reality of the whole world at that time, the ...
..the whole shebang basically.
otherwise -
- i take your point.
The only point was that you can't decimate a nation and walk away from it. It takes a lot longer to rebuild it than it did to tear it down. Unless, of course, one wishes to apply the term reconstruct instead of rebuild. Then you can half-ass it and get away with it. But that's a completely different barrel of primates.
Nah. He just doesn't get it. I've been to the Middle East 3 times, for as long as 6 months. I posted what we were doing that the mainstream media doesn't, and I've seen whats really going on. I said what we needed, and why we need it.
not in any way that transcended the obvious. you said nothing that i or anyone else who's been paying attention was unaware of.
but maybe do a teleconference with cerise. he's apparently in also in possession of secret knowledge and the big idea behind the war, and maybe you two can work something out. then you can conference with the generals there in iraq and set things underway. maybe you can trade 'em some beef jerky for a policy change.
YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!
And maybe, with your vast military experience and knowledge, you can clue me in as to what your plan is. I never mentioned anything about secrets, nor did I mention anything about big ideas behind the war. Keep trying, though.. You may find a clue somewhere.
you've fairly consistently acted like you were the expert on the war due to your military service there and you've consistently talked down to others that have not "been there" (kinda like you just did) yet you've offered nothing that the rest of us didn't know.
Never said I was an expert due to my service. I've always maintained that I have experience in the matter of war. I've also always stated that more troops were needed to stabilize the country before we left, and I've consistently talked down to others, yourself included, because you offer opinions as to what should happen with no such experience whatsoever.. You can call that condescension if you like, but its not a secret that I know more about modern warfare than you do. You don't tell an electrician how to wire your new house, or a doctor how to prescribe your medication, do you? Didn't think so. I have also not told you how to do your job. Perhaps if I second guessed your every decision, and gainsaid everything you propose you'll get a clue as to how annoying it gets to hear the constant whines and complaints, but you'll more than likely say that I don't know what I'm talking about....whoops....I say the same about you, don't I?
i've only taught grad school...
yeah, but none of us ever acted like we was experts on military shit like clearing houses, blowing up them roadside bombs, or supplying troops with the right kinda bullets or whatever. no one ever second guessed that. and that's the kind of stuff YOU should know about, the ground-level shit, not even anything all that strategic.... though that's not how you talk.
2minkey said:aren't you the guy that unloads shit off of planes? i'm sure you know a lot about logistics and that kind of thing, but strategy? come on...
[broken record] you act like mister expert while you don't tell us anything new, just that we "don't understand[/broken record]
2minkey said:second guess a medical doctor? you bet your ass! half those fuckers aren't even paying attention. order tests that have nothing to do with your condition. prescribe the same thing twice without remembering the first time it caused a severe reaction? yup...
2minkey said:second guess the genius who kept talking about "known unknowns" and "unknown unknowns?" sure as shit anyone with a brain should be second guessing that horseshit.
second guess the execution of a war where everyhting that would predictably - without highly specialized knowledge as to the region, it's inhabits, circumsatnces, et cetera - go wrong has gone wrong? hell, yeah.
2minkey said:but you just want everyone else to shut the fuck up and close off their brains, bow before your "expertise" and that of the twits running the war, salute the flag, and go back to watching NASCAR.
2minkey said:fuck that. that's too easy. and, get this, it's a wuss-out. and rather un-american, unless we've truly become the nation of check-mailing chimps that the elitists think we've become.
i'll feel free to take you less seriously in these matters than you think the world should.