Time to Get Out of Afghanistan

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"Yesterday," reads the e-mail from Allen, a Marine in Afghanistan, "I gave blood because a Marine, while out on patrol, stepped on a [mine's] pressure plate and lost both legs." Then "another Marine with a bullet wound to the head was brought in. Both Marines died this morning."


"I'm sorry about the drama," writes Allen, an enthusiastic infantryman willing to die "so that each of you may grow old." He says: "I put everything in God's hands." And: "Semper Fi!"

Allen and others of America's finest are also in Washington's hands. This city should keep faith with them by rapidly reversing the trajectory of America's involvement in Afghanistan, where, says the Dutch commander of coalition forces in a southern province, walking through the region is "like walking through the Old Testament."

U.S. strategy -- protecting the population -- is increasingly troop-intensive while Americans are increasingly impatient about "deteriorating" (says Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) conditions. The war already is nearly 50 percent longer than the combined U.S. involvements in two world wars, and NATO assistance is reluctant and often risible.

The U.S. strategy is "clear, hold and build." Clear? Taliban forces can evaporate and then return, confident that U.S. forces will forever be too few to hold gains. Hence nation-building would be impossible even if we knew how, and even if Afghanistan were not the second-worst place to try: The Brookings Institution ranks Somalia as the only nation with a weaker state.
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Military historian Max Hastings says Kabul controls only about a third of the country -- "control" is an elastic concept -- and " 'our' Afghans may prove no more viable than were 'our' Vietnamese, the Saigon regime." Just 4,000 Marines are contesting control of Helmand province, which is the size of West Virginia. The New York Times reports a Helmand official saying he has only "police officers who steal and a small group of Afghan soldiers who say they are here for 'vacation.' " Afghanistan's $23 billion gross domestic product is the size of Boise's. Counterinsurgency doctrine teaches, not very helpfully, that development depends on security, and that security depends on development. Three-quarters of Afghanistan's poppy production for opium comes from Helmand. In what should be called Operation Sisyphus, U.S. officials are urging farmers to grow other crops. Endive, perhaps?

Even though violence exploded across Iraq after, and partly because of, three elections, Afghanistan's recent elections were called "crucial." To what? They came, they went, they altered no fundamentals, all of which militate against American "success," whatever that might mean. Creation of an effective central government? Afghanistan has never had one. U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry hopes for a "renewal of trust" of the Afghan people in the government, but the Economist describes President Hamid Karzai's government -- his vice presidential running mate is a drug trafficker -- as so "inept, corrupt and predatory" that people sometimes yearn for restoration of the warlords, "who were less venal and less brutal than Mr. Karzai's lot."

Mullen speaks of combating Afghanistan's "culture of poverty." But that took decades in just a few square miles of the South Bronx. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, thinks jobs programs and local government services might entice many "accidental guerrillas" to leave the Taliban. But before launching New Deal 2.0 in Afghanistan, the Obama administration should ask itself: If U.S. forces are there to prevent reestablishment of al-Qaeda bases -- evidently there are none now -- must there be nation-building invasions of Somalia, Yemen and other sovereignty vacuums?

U.S. forces are being increased by 21,000, to 68,000, bringing the coalition total to 110,000. About 9,000 are from Britain, where support for the war is waning. Counterinsurgency theory concerning the time and the ratio of forces required to protect the population indicates that, nationwide, Afghanistan would need hundreds of thousands of coalition troops, perhaps for a decade or more. That is inconceivable.

So, instead, forces should be substantially reduced to serve a comprehensively revised policy: America should do only what can be done from offshore, using intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent Special Forces units, concentrating on the porous 1,500-mile border with Pakistan, a nation that actually matters.

Genius, said de Gaulle, recalling Bismarck's decision to halt German forces short of Paris in 1870, sometimes consists of knowing when to stop. Genius is not required to recognize that in Afghanistan, when means now, before more American valor, such as Allen's, is squandered.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083102912.html
 
"clear, hold, and build" is not a very good way to emerge victorious from a military conquest. "kill, burn, and GTFO" might be less bloody for our troops. Not that there's any target worth attacking in the entire damn country.
 
Kill, burn and GTFO would be a useless attempt..worst so, because the Taliban would just sweep back in on your heels and rebuild it...gaining support from the populace.

If you build the internal security forces and police, ensure that the basic structure of the GVT is in place, and leave the place with a better chance at advancement, then you're the good guys. The Taliban following will look like the enemy because they're trying to undo all the good you did...schools, hospitals, roads, security etc...
 
No More Blood For Poppys!!
End the Illegal War Against the Peace Loving Peoples of Afghanistan!!
 
Poppies are a major crop in Afghanistan..and Afghanistan is the major producer of Opium in the world. The moneys are used to support al quieda and the taleban, as well as in front money to suicide bombers throughout the middle-east.

There's only one way to win this kind of war...knocking one leg after another out from under them.

Local support and safe harbours
Money source and the weapons that it buys
Communication and networking infrastructure
Sense of true Vengeance and righteous indignation

Those are your 4 legs, right there. Knock as many down as you can without supporting the others and you turn a network of terrorists into a nuisance that the locals can take care of.
 
No More Blood For Poppys!!
End the Illegal War Against the Peace Loving Peoples of Afghanistan!!

i understand your sympathies. just like you, they despise auslanders and want to live free from influences outside of what daddy told 'em.
 
What I don't understand is why the Pharmaceutical Industry doesn't buy the opium crop from Afghan farmers and turn it into legal prescription morphine pills for people with cancer and whatnot. I've searched the Internets and can't find much on that subject. It's not like a wide range of crops can be grown in that climate and soil.
If they had a good legal income and were left alone by outsiders, I'll bet 95% or more Afghans would live and let live. There will always be few radicals out to try to change the world via terrorism, but a few well-placed spies and better Intelligence than we've had in the past would keep an eye on them and thwart their violent plans.
 
It's all about who controls the crop. Right now, it's the local warlords and the UN Military et al are busy stopping up the insurgency..so they can't concentrate on the poppies. There are a few frankencrops that'd grow well there, and I'm sure that the farmers would rather grow those, but they don't have a choice. If their fields were secured, they could switch over to something "better".

Not better for the farmer's pockets though. Raw Opium is about $250US/kg and you can't match that number against even spice plants and plants that produce essential oils like lavender etc...
 
Damn this Obama war.

The left can't decide whether they suport it or not.
 
It's a Bush war since he started it. Notice the right can't decide if they support it or not.

George WIll is a Republican. ;)
 
Yeah, it just indicates the right can't decide if they're for the war or not. Are you calling Will a dumbass over this?
 
If our President decides to continue the fight, I'll back him, in this context, and the troops.
 
Wait, since you are against the war and Bush took us there I guess that means you were against Bush on this one too. Cool.
 
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