When Karl Rove said.......

[The Other One]

......"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.

......"Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see … Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia.

...."Has there been a more revealing moment this year than when Democratic Senator Richard Durbin, speaking on the Senate floor, compared what Americans had done to prisoners in our control at Guantanamo Bay with what was done by Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot - three of the most brutal and malevolent figures in the 20th century?.... No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/24/AR2005062400097.html

.....didn't he know that Liberals can't handle the truth about themselves????

Looks like the gloves are finally off.

Rove called it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3

We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of the United States of America and of countries around the world, appeal to the President of The United States, George W. Bush; to the NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson; to the President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi; and to all leaders internationally to use moderation and restraint in responding to the recent terrorist attacks against the United States.

Moderation and restraint???

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5273.htm

The terrorist attack on the United States could have been treated as a crime against humanity rather than an act of war. Treating it as a crime would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. Protection against terrorism requires precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering—all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which the terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would not have invaded Iraq, and we would not have our military struggling to perform police work and getting shot at.

Talk about insulting!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/23/183338.shtml

Democrats are livid over Karl Rove's complaint that liberals reacted to the 9/11 attacks by urging "understanding" for terrorists.

But that was exactly the advice offered by ex-President Clinton, delivered in an address to Georgetown University less than two months after the attacks.

"First of all, terror, the killing of noncombatants for economic, political, or religious reasons has a very long history - as long as organized combat itself," Clinton lectured. "Those of us who come from various European lineages are not blameless."
Then the ex-president catalogued the terrorist abuses perpetrated by Europeans and Americans on Jews, Muslims and people of color.

"Indeed, in the first Crusade, when the Christian soldiers took Jerusalem, they first burned a synagogue with 300 Jews in it, and proceeded to kill every woman and child who was Muslim on the Temple mound," he noted.

"Here in the United States, we were founded as a nation that practiced slavery and slaves were, quite frequently, killed even though they were innocent."

The U.S. "looked the other way," Clinton charged, "when significant numbers of Native Americans were dispossessed and killed to get their land or their mineral rights or because they were thought of as less than fully human and we are still paying the price today."

By the time Mr. Clinton was done with his terrorism history lesson, it was clear America got what it deserved on 9/11.

Clintoon just won't go away! Neither of them!

http://hillary-rodham-clinton.political-news.org/

WASHINGTON - White House adviser Karl Rove should either apologize or resign for saying liberals responded to the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes by wanting to "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Democrats said Thursday.

Adding to the rancor, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., suggested that Republican charges that Democrats were undermining the war on terror with their criticism of administration policies amounted to an act of desperation.

"The president wanted to go to Iraq in the worst possible way and he did," Pelosi said. "The president is on the ropes."

"Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement. "I hope the president will join me in repudiating these remarks."

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."

During a Senate hearing on Iraq in which Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other military leaders testified, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., read Rove's statement and urged them to reject the remarks.

"I would hope that you and other members of the administration would immediately repudiate such an insulting comment from a high-ranking official in the president's inner circle," Clinton said.

Earlier in the day, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said New York has had unity since Sept. 11. "To inject politics into this and to defame a large number of people" is outrageous, he said. "It's not what New York and America is all about."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said nearly 3,000 Americans died on Sept. 11 and "we should not dishonor their memory by using that tragic day for political trash talk."

Scott McClellan: "This is simply talking about different philosophies and different approaches. And I think you have to look at it in that context. If people want to try to engage in personal attacks instead of defending their philosophy, that's their business. But it's important to point out the different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism. And that's all he was doing."

The Democratic Party has been committed to a strategy of submission that could lead to disastrous defeat and the deaths of Americans here at home. There has been a constant barrage from the left of denigrating our war efforts, blocking all legislation, and restraining the powers of goverment on all matters. They have reverted to type, and the type is naive and dangerous.

The Democrat's outgrage over Rove's statements simply proves that they know that their position is unamerican and outrageous. They only show their true colors when they demand an apology while they know what they have said is wrong and just plain offensive. The election is over. Libs lost. Time to take the Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers off. A bunch of whiners they are.

 

[chcr]

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said nearly 3,000 Americans died on Sept. 11 and "we should not dishonor their memory by using that tragic day for political trash talk."

 

[The Other One]

Rove was only paraphrasing what the Libs have said since 9-11. What's the big deal? They can dish it out but they can't take it? How many times have they used "that tragic day for political trash talk." Like McClellan said "This is simply talking about different philosophies and different approaches." With philosophies and approaches exposed, it only makes it easier to pick a side.

 

[freako104]

How many times have they used "that tragic day for political trash talk

Both sides are guilty of this. It is sad that anyone would use a tragedy like this to further their own political bullshit

 

[chcr]

Rove was only paraphrasing what the Libs have said since 9-11. What's the big deal? They can dish it out but they can't take it? How many times have they used "that tragic day for political trash talk." Like McClellan said "This is simply talking about different philosophies and different approaches." With philosophies and approaches exposed, it only makes it easier to pick a side.

Well, you're exactly right, they can dish it out and they can't take it. Yet more proof that the differences in rhetoric are the real differences.

There are unfortunately more than two sides, but I understand that you are unable to see that. It's still wrong to make a political football out of a tragedy and an act of war and it always will be. I understand that it will continue to be done constantly and nothing I say will stop it.

Now, the liberals are completely discredited and the democratic party hasn't a chance in hell of reclaiming the presidency or control of the congress until they distance themselves from these so-called liberals. So did you have a point or are you just not interested in current events?

 

[Winky]

Both sides are guilty of this.

Treason
sedition
aiding and abetting the enemy
calling our troops Nazi gulag Pol Pot wannabees's?

unless I've missed something only one side has been guilty time and again of this

commie bastards DIE!!!!

 

[freako104]

Treason
sedition
aiding and abetting the enemy
calling our troops Nazi gulag Pol Pot wannabees's?

unless I've missed something only one side has been guilty time and again of this

commie bastards DIE!!!!

What are you talking about now? More bullshit? Both sides have used the tragedies to further their own political agendas. Also where did treason come in? Because we dont all follow Bush we are traitors? You dont have to like Bush to love your country. Aiding and abetting the enemy? Hmm..Didnt America arm certain countries in the past? Oh and we are the ones who put PolPot in power. Unless you missed that.

 

[Winky]

cogent thoughts
specific examples

 

[freako104]

cogent thoughts
specific examples

On? I would like to see how every liberal betrayed America. We supplied Saddam with weapons during the Cold War.

 

[Winky]

OK let's take the

the United States supplied Iraq with weapons during their
war with Iran issue.

Your point?

 

[freako104]

aiding and abetting the enemy

You are the one who brought up this idea.

 

[Winky]

We supplied Saddam with weapons during the Cold War.
Saddy wasn't our enemy.

Do try to keep up.

What purpose would it serve for me to give you a history lesson?

"recent history"

Gee I know I'm a fricken fossil and lived through that time
but not everyone can be that easily taken in by Liberal propaganda
(except Liberals I suppose).

 

[The Other One]

It's still wrong to make a political football out of a tragedy and an act of war and it always will be.

Now, the liberals are completely discredited and the democratic party hasn't a chance in hell of reclaiming the presidency or control of the congress until they distance themselves from these so-called liberals. So did you have a point or are you just not interested in current events?

The point is that it is NOT a political football out of a tragedy.
Karl Rove said liberals want to fight terrorism as if it's just another crime problem (we have to understand why they hate us). Don't forget that John Kerry said that the most that could be hoped for in the war on terror was to reduce terrorism to the level of a nuisance like prostitution, the Mafia, and illicit drugs trade.
Durbin's tirade on GITMO last week was the final straw, and SOMEBODY had to say SOMETHING. So all the libs came out of the woodwork to whine about apologies and resignations when in fact Rove spoke THE TRUTH, and it was long overdue.
The reason so many Americans vote for Republican presidential candidates election after election is because they believe the left thinks that every time something bad happens to America, it's because we deserve it. Americans are TIRED of the Lib attitude, and Rove simply spoke what is on many Americans' minds.

 

[chcr]

*sigh* and you don't even see that you are making it a partisan issue yourself.

I'm sure the liberals and conservatives are all quite pleased to have people to lead around by their emotions.

 

[MrBishop]

Don't forget that John Kerry said that the most that could be hoped for in the war on terror was to reduce terrorism to the level of a nuisance like prostitution, the Mafia, and illicit drugs trade.

Basically, yeah... outright elimination of terrorism is nigh impossible. Strict control of it to the point where it is at a negligable level...easier.

*I wouldn't call the illicit drug trade a 'nuisance' though.*

 

[chcr]

Basically, yeah... outright elimination of terrorism is nigh impossible. Strict control of it to the point where it is at a negligable level...easier.

*I wouldn't call the illicit drug trade a 'nuisance' though.*

A fair number of Americans truly believe that if you kill enough muslims the problem will disappear, Bish.

 

[MrBishop]

A fair number of Americans truly believe that if you kill enough muslims the problem will disappear, Bish.

Yes... a by-product of reinforced racism and the war-machine, whereby its easier to make war on anyone that you dehumanize first, and when you try and dehumanize a relativly small group of people (Muslim extremists) to people who don't know the difference between an extremist and a 'regular' Muslim, then you accidentally dehumanize a whole population.

Kill the terrorists
Kill the Muslim terrorists
Kill the Muslims ... they're all terrorists
Kill all Muslims

 

[Winky]

Shall we compare the 'truth' of Carl's comments
with the pronouncements of Dean and Durbin?

Nah never mind...

 

[The Other One]

A fair number of Americans truly believe that if you kill enough muslims the problem will disappear, Bish.

And a fair number of Muslims truly believe that if you kill enough Americans their problem will disappear.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1077288-1,00.html
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of casualties among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact monotone, as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul so I am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many Americans."

 

[chcr]

And a fair number of Muslims truly believe that if you kill enough Americans their problem will disappear.

Can't argue with that. Point is that neither circumstance would solve or even address the problem.