ResearchMonkey
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You read to many pro-doper blogs, you are wrong. The fact is that you exemplify the persona of a "stoner".
Prop 19: Marijuana Legalization Gets its Number in California
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You read to many pro-doper blogs, you are wrong. The fact is that you exemplify the persona of a "stoner".
Which states do this? I read something from a message board about suspending a driver's license but I don't know which states do this. This doesn't seem to be a very good idea, since most people need their cars to get to /from work. No job = no income = no child support payments.
spike
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So predictably you've gone to the same old childish trolling when you're proven wrong again.
Here's the unavoidable facts...if one person drinks a 12 pack of beer one night and another person smokes a couple joints, the person who drank the beer is very likely to be feeling the effects the next day with a hangover while the person who smoked the weed really won't be feeling and negative effects.
So given that fact why would weed be any bigger deal than beer?
How old were your kids when you were doing all that stuff?
How many unconstitutional things has our government done? You think our right to drive would be immune?
ResearchMonkey
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You're absolutely right based on the perception of the stoner. However the scientific facts are considerably different than your magical thinking.
Funny, the inebriated are always the best ones to judge their own toxicity. LOL
...not that you can accept it.
you believe some of the dumbest shit.
spike
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No the facts are that a person who smoked weed the night before will not really be feeling any effects the next day while someone who drank a 12 pack is likely to be hungover.
Here's some unavoidable facts for you?
"A hangover (pronounced /ˈhæŋoʊvər/) (veisalgia) describes the sum of unpleasant physiological effects following heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages. The most commonly reported characteristics of a hangover include headache, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise, lethargy, dysphoria, diarrhea and thirst, typically after the intoxicating effects of the alcohol begin to wear off. While a hangover can be experienced at any time, generally speaking a hangover is experienced the morning after a night of heavy drinking. In addition to the physical symptoms, a hangover may also induce psychological symptoms including heightened feelings of depression and anxiety.
Hypoglycemia, dehydration, acetaldehyde intoxication, glutamine rebound, and vitamin B12 deficiency are all theorized causes of hangover symptoms.[1] Hangover symptoms may persist for several days after alcohol was last consumed"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangover
So given that fact why would weed be any bigger deal than beer?
How old were your kids when you were doing all that stuff?
ResearchMonkey
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My kids weren't even born, I wasn't even married back then.
Yeah, hangover, wiki ..nice. You still don't know shit about physiology/pharmacology.
Smoke another joint, enjoy your bliss.
Then they're both assholes with a problem.
If one person drinks 3-4 beers & the other smaokes part of a joint, there's little difference.
spike
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That's good. Did you prefer to smoke, snort, or shoot?
Fact is that the noticeable effect of alcohol can last far longer than weed. So given that fact why should weed be more of a big deal?
I'm not interested right now but thanks anyway.
Professur
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FYI, the hangover from Alcohol has nothing to do with the alcohol. It's the dehydration that accompanies the alcohol consumption. Easily resolved by alternating glasses of booze and water. I don't know about the effects of pot.
What I do find amusing, and frankly, disturbing ...
850,000 arrests, means 850,000 crimes for the minimal benefit of a minor drug. I don't know how the details of that break down ... but if you take it at face value, that means nearly a million americans perfectly willing to break the law and risk arrest for a temporary high. I've been drinking for a lot of years, and I've never encountered a beer worth going to jail for. Think that through for a minute and think about the mentality of the people you're fighting to give the right to indulge without control or limit.
What I do find amusing, and frankly, disturbing ...
850,000 arrests, means 850,000 crimes for the minimal benefit of a minor drug. I don't know how the details of that break down ... but if you take it at face value, that means nearly a million americans perfectly willing to break the law and risk arrest for a temporary high. I've been drinking for a lot of years, and I've never encountered a beer worth going to jail for. Think that through for a minute and think about the mentality of the people you're fighting to give the right to indulge without control or limit.
spike
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If you drink enough alcohol no amount of alternating water is going to prevent it.
It's the same as prohibition. Government banned alcohol, yet tons of people drank it anyway.
Professur
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I could use your trick of demanding that you prove it, but we both know that's nonsense. If you maintain one 8 oz glass of water to one 'drink' as recognized (One bottle of beer, glass or wine, or quarter gill of 40% rock gut) you'd be hard pressed to drink enough over an evening to even get solidly drunk, never mind drink enough to overcome the re-hydrating effect of the water.
Try it. Go out with the guys one night and for every drink they have, down 8oz of water. I'll wager you spend more time draining the snake than they do.
And they put a speed limit on the highways, and people die every day from speeding too. What was the point you failed to make? That people are inherently criminals at heart? Bone stupid? Totally unable to control their baser instincts towards self satisfaction over self preservation?
spike
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Drinking water can lessen the effects of a hangover but will not totally prevent them and it certainly won't keep you from getting drunk.
"The only sure way to prevent a hangover is to avoid drinking. While you may not be able to totally prevent a hangover, drinking a lot of water or other rehydrating drink will go a long way toward preventing or lessening most hangover symptoms."
It's also not just the dehydration.
"Drinking an alcoholic beverage that contains impurities or preservatives can give you a hangover, even if you only have one drink. Some of these impurities may be other alcohols besides ethanol. Other hangover-causing chemicals are congeners, which are by-products of the fermentation process. Sometimes impurities are intentionally added, such as zinc or other metals which may be added to sweeten or enhance the flavor of certain liqueurs. Otherwise, it matters what you drink and how much you drink. Drinking to excess is more likely to cause a hangover than drinking moderately. You get a hangover because the ethanol in the drink caused increase urine production, leading to dehydration. Dehydration causes headaches, fatigue, and dry mouth. Alcohol also reacts with the stomach lining, which can lead to nausea. Ethanol is metabolized into acetaldehyde, which is actually a lot more toxic, mutagenic, and carcinogenic than the alcohol itself. It takes time to break down the acetaldehyde into acetic acid, during which you'll experience all the symptoms of acetaldehyde exposure."
http://chemistry.about.com/od/everydaychemistry/a/hangovers.htm
Not sure how accurate this is but it was an interesting read...
"Once alcohol reachs a certain concentration in your blood it will first cause an osmotic diuresis, causing you to produce a lot more urine.. much the same as the effect of a high glucose in a diabetic.. this is when you start to lose water regardless of how much you drink.. after a while your alcohol level will reach a point where it will affect osmo receptors in the hyperthalamus stopping the production of ADH (anti-diauretic hormone) otherwise known as AVP (arginine vasopressin) whose job it is to cause reabsorption of water in the kidneys.. "
http://www.ukqna.com/science/2983-science-ukqna.html
I'm not sure why we're debating this. Obviously someone who drinks a lot is more likely to have negative effects the next day. The smoker doesn't even have to drink a bunch of water to try to lessen anything.
What are you talking about with the "self preservation"? Marijuana doesn't have much in the way of negative effects to your self preservation. Of course alcohol is far more dangerous.
Speeding is inherently endangers other people. Alcohol and marijuana do not.
They should not be criminal and prohibition doesn't work with either. If they outlawed all alcohol again and your neighbor some really good "whatever you like to drink" would you report him? Call him a stupid criminal? Turn him down if he offered you some? Make your own? I'm genuinely curious.
ResearchMonkey
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THe cognitive impairment from long term dope smoking is not as benign as you think it is, even if you smoke just a few joint a week.
THe hippocampus stores information for short term memory which is eventually transferred to long-term memory. The problem is that cannibinoids are structurally similar to anandamide, the neurotransmitter that captures your experiences as they occur and lay them into your short term memory in the hippocampus.
So when you flood your brain with delta9 huge chunks of you life go missing as the it interferes with process of capturing memory. You now have unrecoverable data of your own life that has been lost forever. -- And if you deny this fact, you're either kidding yourself or not from this planet.
THC also artificially stimulates a part of the brain called the amygdala which a region of the brain that assigns novelty or emotional significance to objects and ideas someone encounter in their environment. -- This is significant to you. Potheads always think they have some unnoticed internalized streak of brilliance, they are flattered by their ideas no matter how insane that thought might be.
While you might not feel high anymore, the fact is you still have some real hang-over problems; just like alcohol although it involves a different set of neuroreceptors.
Wwhen you drink booze, its the gabba receptors, with pot its the anandamide receptors that are affected. -- Again, you deny that you are negitively affected by this, .... you would be wrong.
It common knowledge that pot has a marked effect on motor function performance and complex task. This will last for at least several days for a casual user, much longer for a chronic user.
Did you know that if you feed pot to camel it will poop hashish? (trufax)
But hey Spike, smoke another joint and get busy refuting this. It shouldn't be too hard for someone as bright and shiny as you. -- Good luck buddy.
*back into my troll cave*
spike
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Long term chronic users of alcohol or marijuana can both possibly have negative effects on the brain. Marijuana use is far less likely to cause negative effects than alcohol.
I'm not sure what your point is here unless you want to outlaw anything that can be unhealthy if over used. Want to outlaw McDonalds?
You may want to pay attention to this part:
"Long Term Effects of Meth
Scientists are using brain imaging techniques, like positron emission
tomography (called PET for short), to study the brains of human
methamphetamine users. They have discovered that even three years
after long-time methamphetamine users had quit using the drug, their
dopamine neurons were still damaged. Scientists don't know yet whether
this damage is permanent, but this research shows that changes in the
brain from methamphetamine use can last a long time. Research with
animals has shown that the drug methamphetamine can also damage
neurons that contain serotonin. This damage also continues long after the
drug use is stopped.
These changes in dopamine and serotonin neurons may explain some of
the effects of methamphetamine. If a person uses methamphetamine for a
long time, they may become paranoid. They may also hear and see things
that aren't there. These are called hallucinations. Because
methamphetamine causes big increases in blood pressure, someone
using it for a long time may also have permanent damage to blood vessels
in the brain. This can lead to strokes caused by bleeding in the brain."
http://www.anti-meth.org/brainbody.html
Sure, drunk people get loud, talkative, emotional, and violent sometimes. Again, not sure what your point was.
It is possible that very heavy marijuana use can cause some minor differences the next day in contrast to the well known massive effects of a severe alcohol hangover. It's even somewhat common for people with a full nights sleep after drinking to get DUIs on their way to work in the morning.
Citation needed.