Virtually all Iraq's utilities below pre invasion levels

samcurry

Screwing with the code...
Staff member
execution by either hanging or firing squad.
And the main reason its worse now is that they (meaning the new govt and police) are affraid or not properly prepaired to take on the terrorist that are still trying to take over the country. If they jokesters that are trying to pull us out or make us just stand around would just let us go in and do the job right with out all the bleeding hearts whining all the time we could have had this done by now.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
flavio said:
What is the law of their land you're referring to? ...and yes last time i checked most of them said it is worse now than with Sadam. Stuff like this doesn't help.

As long as you focus on the bad, I'll focus on the good...

Iraqi, U.S. Army Soldiers seize large weapons cache, detain terrorists



BAGHDAD, Iraq – Soldiers from 3rd Brigade, 6th Iraqi Army Division and 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, disrupted a terrorist staging area early morning Feb. 19 southwest of Baghdad.

The Soldiers, acting on intelligence, air assaulted into the village of Owesat under the cover of darkness and surprised the terrorists before they could escape.

More than 39 detainees were seized, to include five individuals considered high-value targets. They also found several caches in and around the village containing 200 155mm artillery rounds, one rocket-propelled grenade launcher, 23 RPG rounds, 17 hand grenades, 200 blasting caps, four rolls of detonation cord, one mortar, one heavy machinegun, explosive powder and several hundred rounds of machinegun rounds.

“This was a well planned and executed mission,” said Col. Jeffrey Snow, 1st BCT, 10th Mtn. Div., and the air assault commander for the mission. “We believe, as a result (of the mission), we have thwarted a significant attack that the insurgents had been preparing for.”

The operation was based on intelligence that the insurgent cell had been stocking munitions and weapons to prepare for future attacks.

“This reinforces the importance of people coming forward and reporting insurgent activity,” said Snow.

Surprisingly enough, your story came across the same pooled news I get...and it was only one of two negative reports. All five others were positive.
 

samcurry

Screwing with the code...
Staff member
thanks gato, it nice to see something other than the normal doom and gloom post of how bad it is. im surprised some people havent commited suicide by now from all the neg.
 

Gato_Solo

Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Another nicely done story that the press seems to avoid...

Medics share experiences, receive lesson in return



Tikrit, Iraq – Much has been said about the importance of top-tier military medicine to the survival of Soldiers in combat. Regardless of which country a Soldier serves for, quality medics are valued by the troops. Studies show that if critically wounded Soldiers receive quality health care within the first hour after the incident, they will have the best probability of survival.

Medics from 3rd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division and 3rd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 4th Iraqi Army Division got together on February 17th to train together and compare notes on several very effective life-saving techniques. This joint training took place in the Todacheene Aid Station on Forward Operating Base Paliwoda, just outside of Balad, Iraq.

The training was intended to be focused on improving the skills of the Iraqi Army medics in attendance, but ended up being a valuable lesson for all involved.

Staff Sgt. Kevin O’Brien, a medic for 1st Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment, was the primary trainer for the day’s lessons, and he was accompanied by the local Military Transition Team medic, Sgt. 1st Class Robert Stevens. Using the valuable lessons acquired through real-world experiences in the field, O’Brien began the training with a discussion of the human airway and the various techniques medics can employ to keep that airway open in a severe trauma situation. This type of discussion was welcomed since a blocked air passageway frequently occurs in a shooting or an improvised explosive device attack.

Without hesitation, one of the Iraqi Army medics, Muhammad, chimed in with an in-depth explanation of different techniques and procedures for maintaining an open air passageway. Soon, the discussion turned from a class, into an open dialogue between peer health-care providers.

The depth and breadth of the IA medics’ knowledge and experience made the time together beneficial for all participants.

“I was very impressed at the knowledge of the Iraqi medics,” said O’Brien.

Stevens added, “They’re always excited about learning, and they know a lot more than you think.”

It was later learned that Muhammad spent over 12 years working in the emergency trauma center at a major hospital in Baghdad. Like most emergency rooms in major metropolitan areas, Muhammad was faced with numerous traumatic injuries that he was in the position to treat. This again reinforced that there is nothing more beneficial than real-world experience.

The sudden turn in the classroom environment created a relaxed atmosphere where all participants, American and Iraqi, could interact, compare notes and even poke fun at each other.

The day’s training culminated with handshakes, hugs, and a photographic memento of their time together. As the IA medics left for the day, echoes of “Shukran, shukran!”, or, “Thank you, thank you!” filled the air.

O’Brien summed up the training with a positive assessment of his Iraqi counterparts. “These guys are motivated and eager to learn whatever they can to become more effective,” he said.

These types of joint training experiences will benefit the Soldiers who find themselves under these medics’ watchful care. As American trainers continue to work with their Iraqi counterparts, confidence will grow as the Iraqi Security Forces assume more responsibility for their own security needs and the needs of the Iraqi people.
 

flavio

Banned
That's great some medics were trained and an assault was thwarted. Most Iraqis still believe the US made their life worse and they want the troops to leave. How about we let them vote on that?

Why aren't you posting your sources anyway? It's good that some informants come forward...not always though.

excessive jailings of people based on the paid testimony of individual informants were reported. 55-year old cafe owner Mahmoud Khodair, who was arrested and held for six months before being released in early march without ever knowing what he was charged with, stated, "It was just like hell", and "Nothing has changed since Saddam. Before, the Mukhabarat [secret police] would take us away, and at least they wouldn't blow down the door. Now, some informant fingers you and gets $100 even if you're innocent."
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
I'm wondering how many of the people that say things haven't changed, or got worse, are Sunnis.
I believe THEY had it better that other groups under Saddam, no?
 

Gonz

molṑn labé
Staff member
the Shi'ites have been turning the other cheek for years...under saddam & Bush. They are now getting fed up & are fighting back. Not good for the process but understandable.
 

Inkara1

Well-Known Member
The US isn't going to be there forever. But keep in mind outlining a specific "exit strategy" will tell the terrorists exactly how long they need to wait.
 

flavio

Banned
Inkara1 said:
The US isn't going to be there forever. But keep in mind outlining a specific "exit strategy" will tell the terrorists exactly how long they need to wait.
A quote from the BushCo propaganda. What are terrorists waiting for?
 

Inkara1

Well-Known Member
Whether "BushCo Propaganda" said it or not, it's common sense. We say we're pulling out on Sept. 11, 2006, for example, and they'll get their plans in motion. We surprise them with it and all they won't have the big-time government-changing strikes ready.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
flavio said:
Let's just let Iraq vote on whether the US should stay there or not.
They already did.
They voted in the leaders, and the leaders asked the US to stay for the time being.
 

flavio

Banned
Inkara1 said:
Whether "BushCo Propaganda" said it or not, it's common sense. We say we're pulling out on Sept. 11, 2006, for example, and they'll get their plans in motion. We surprise them with it and all they won't have the big-time government-changing strikes ready.
Common sense would say that if the only concern is "big-time government-changing strikes" then troops could be deployed nearby and/or a certain number left that sits on their ass unless such a things happens.

catacom said:
They voted in the leaders, and the leaders asked the US to stay for the time being.
The leaders were given the option? Even if they were there's no reason not to have a direct vote.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
flavio said:
The leaders were given the option? Even if they were there's no reason not to have a direct vote.
Yes, they Were asked.

I'll try to find the story....



No reason Not to have a vote? How about the voters being targets for bombers.
 

flavio

Banned
catocom said:
All in due time man. ;)
No one ever said they could Never vote.
Due time passed long ago. Obviously it's a big enough issue to have a vote now. The troops can provide security and Bush can try to rig things again.
 

catocom

Well-Known Member
flavio said:
Due time passed long ago.
Your opinion does not necessarily = fact
flavio said:
Obviously it's a big enough issue to have a vote now. The troops can provide security and Bush can try to again.
Um, you are kinda contradicting yourself there.
If you think Bush would fix it, what would be the point, so why do you want them to vote? :confused:
 
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