'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location

[Inkara1]

Then, what is the big deal about providing the proof to prying eyes?

Apparently all the proof that can be provided isn't good enough.

PolitiFact and the whole birth record load of shit
Included there is a bigger version of the birth certificate that was posted here. Note the date stamp is backwards and bleeds through from behind. That's because in Hawaii, signatures, embossed deals, etc. go on the back.

As for the "long form," the state WON'T give the long form to him or anyone else. He has everything Hawaii will give him.

 

[jimpeel]

for the last time, jim, THE STATE OF HAWAII HAS CERTIFIED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Thank God! I was tired of hearing it.

What you miss is the fact that the people "certifying" the document are the only ones who have seen it (maybe) and they are Obama's buddies.

 

[jimpeel]

Apparently all the proof that can be provided isn't good enough.

PolitiFact and the whole birth record load of shit
Included there is a bigger version of the birth certificate that was posted here. Note the date stamp is backwards and bleeds through from behind. That's because in Hawaii, signatures, embossed deals, etc. go on the back.

As for the "long form," the state WON'T give the long form to him or anyone else. He has everything Hawaii will give him.

Simple question. Should be easy.

In which hospital in Hawai`i was Barack Hussein Obama born?

 

[Inkara1]

You mentioned Donofrio. I merely expounded on that.

What I was speaking about when I described the documents we signed when my kids were born were the official, not hospital, documents that are filed with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California. I assume that if, that is a big if, Obama were born in Hawai`i, nine years before my oldest kid was born, he should have a similar document on file in Hawai`i.

There is one. It's been sworn to be there by the only ones with authority to swear that. He has produced the only thing the state will give to him.

If I were the administrator of the hospital where the first Hawai`ian born African American president in history was born I woul'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

There would be a bronze plaque at every entrance of the hospital proudly exclaiming "Birthplace of Barack Hussein Obama, the forty-fourth President of the United States".

Maybe he doesn't really care, or maybe he doesn't know he's the administrator of Obama's hospital. It's possible enough people have come and gone in the 47 years since.

If I were the attending physician at the birth of the first African American president in history I would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Might be dead by now.

If I were the attending nurse at the birth of the first African American president in history I would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Might be dead by now.

If I were a family member of the physician or attending nurse who was at the birth of the first African American president in history I would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Do you have any family members in that line of work? Do you know the names of everyone they birth?

So what do we hear? Nothing. The silence is deafening. I guess there is no pride in that feat for these people. Heard any plans lately for Hawai`i to enact a Barack Hussein Obama day? Seems they aren't claiming him either.

Is there a Bill Clinton Day in Arkansas? A Ronald Reagan Day in California?

 

[Inkara1]

Simple question. Should be easy.

In which hospital in Hawai`i was Barack Hussein Obama born?

Which one in Kenya was he born? Can you prove it?

 

[jimpeel]

Is there a Bill Clinton Day in Arkansas? A Ronald Reagan Day in California?

For what? First Black president, ala Toni Morrison? First actor elected president?

 

[jimpeel]

Which one in Kenya was he born? Can you prove it?

Typical Liberal tact. If you don't know the answer, or want to avoid it, you answer with another question; or, in this case, two questions.

The answer to my question, which you refused to answer, has a multiple choice answer:

a) Queen’s Medical Center

b) Kapiolani Medical Center

You choose.

The answer to your questions, which I am about to answer, have but one answer:

Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa Kenya at 7:24pm Aug 4, 1961. In several interviews Obama's paternal grandmother recounted how Obama was born in Kenya, and she was in the delivery room.

Do you realize that the people of Kenya are celebrating the election of "one of their own" to the United States presidency?

http://www.america.gov/st/elections...0081110115742WCyeroC0.9058344.html&distid=ucs

How about a photo essay on the celebration.

http://allafrica.com/photoessay/Obamamania/

Note the caption of the first photo which reads:

Residents of Kogelo village in western Kenya erupt in joy on Wednesday November 5, East African time, upon hearing that their "son" had been elected President of the United States.

Ya got any stories from Hawai`i like that?

Any photo essays on how the Hawai`ians turned out by the thousands to celebrate the election of "one of their own"?

 

[BeardofPants]

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...

 

[Inkara1]

I love the whole "typical liberal" thing you try to use there, to accuse me of something that is simply not true when I put the burden of proof on the accuser, you know, like the United States justice system. It's especially funny since you've been giving us conservatives a bad name with your shitty arguments for a long time.

As for your "answer" to my question: His grandma claimed he was born in Kenya. His mom claimed he was born at Queen's. So I guess you trust one family member over another. Meanwhile... have you seen any sort of documentation other than some people celebrating the election of someone with some Kenyan blood in him? I'm guessing no. I also don't suppose it's possible that if he were Jewish, Jews worldwide would celebrate that "one of them" was elected, or if someone whose parents were originally from Iraq were elected, that Iraqis would celebrate that "one of them" was elected. No, that's just not possible. Any judge that would consider that to be enough evidence for a conviction should be fired.

 

[jimpeel]

I love the whole "typical liberal" thing you try to use there, to accuse me of something that is simply not true when I put the burden of proof on the accuser, you know, like the United States justice system. It's especially funny since you've been giving us conservatives a bad name with your shitty arguments for a long time.

Answering a question with a question is a typical Liberal ploy to get out of answering the question with an answer.

Why didn't you simply answer the question? Like I said when I posed it, "Simple question. Should be easy."

You couldn't answer it.

You wouldn't answer it.

Why?

Because

you

don't

know.

Couldn't say that, though, could you? Because there are two answers and you don't know which one is correct and THAT is what SHOULD be bothering you about this whole question.

Queen’s Medical Center isn't claiming him.

Kapiolani Medical Center isn't claiming him.

Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa Kenya apparently does claim him.

Interesting, that.

Time will out.

 

[chcr]

Give it up boys and girls. No proof will ever be acceptable to these cretins if it leaves a black man president. Isn't that obvious to everyone by now?

 

[jimpeel]

Give it up boys and girls. No proof will ever be acceptable to these cretins if it leaves a black man president. Isn't that obvious to everyone by now?

His color has nothing to do with it. Only racists and bigots see a man's color first.

Note who is bring it up ... STILL ONE MORE TIME.

Note which side of the debate is the side that is ALWAYS bringing it up.

 

[jimpeel]

As for your "answer" to my question: His grandma claimed he was born in Kenya. His mom claimed he was born at Queen's.

His mother is dead and hasn't said anything about his place of birth. That was his half-sister Maya Soetoro who stated that in 2004. She is YOUNGER than Barack and wasn't quite available as a witness to his birth as his paternal grandmother was. I'll trust the grandma's word. You trust someone who wasn't even born yet.

From the 2004 Maya Soetoro interview:

Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. Obama lived here with his parents Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham until they divorced when he was two. Obama moved back to Hawaii when he was ten and lived with his grandmother Madelyn Dunham and half-sister of our very own, Maya Soetoro. They both attended Punahou School together when they both lived here. Ms. Soetoro explained, “He’s my brother. We share the same mother, though our fathers are different. His father was Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan economist who met our mother at the East West Center. My father was our mother’s second husband after she divorced Obama. Soetoro was from Indonesia and in the late 1960s the family moved to the island of Java where I was born.”

She ALSO was the one who stated four years later that he was born at Kapiolani Medical Center.

From the 2008 Maya Soetoro interview:

Obama's half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who has been campaigning aggressively in Hawaii and on the mainland, shared stories of her older brother's childhood as a way to connect to local voters.

"This is a place that's been relatively unchanged for him, and so much of who he is was born here," Soetoro-Ng told a crowd of about 200 people eating "OBAMAsadas." "He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, two blocks up from where our grandmother still resides ... the place where he used to stick orange peels under his bed, where it got all dried out and ... nasty."

So you take the word of someone who is dead, and has remained silent on the issue, and the rest of the family who seem dazed and confused and weren't there at his birth.

I'll take the word of the one who is still alive, not confused, and was at the scene of his birth.

Time will out.

 

[chcr]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Note to real posters: This jamoke has been on ignore for a while now so I really have no idea what he said but I'll bet anyone a shiny new dime that the response is appropriate anyway.

 

[MrBishop]

His color has nothing to do with it. Only racists and bigots see a man's color first.

Note who is bring it up ... STILL ONE MORE TIME.

Note which side of the debate is the side that is ALWAYS bringing it up.

...the simple answer. I don't recall this coming up when bush was president elect, or Clinton, or Bush sr. I don't recall seeing requests for McCain's BC, or Palin's fo that matter...Biden..anyone?

Why is it such a HUGE issue all of a sudden?

 

[spike]

They lost and desperate conspiracy theories that have already been debunked are all they have left.

 

[2minkey]

Why is it such a HUGE issue all of a sudden?

i think cheeky already answered that one...

 

[MrBishop]

Note to real posters: This jamoke has been on ignore for a while now so I really have no idea what he said but I'll bet anyone a shiny new dime that the response is appropriate anyway.

Pretty much. I'll mail ya the dime when i get back from Edmonton;

 

[GrandCaravanSE]

I hope theses childish agruments stop soon.

 

[jimpeel]

...the simple answer. I don't recall this coming up when bush was president elect, or Clinton, or Bush sr. I don't recall seeing requests for McCain's BC, or Palin's fo that matter...Biden..anyone?

Why is it such a HUGE issue all of a sudden?

This has been a huge issue for five months now. How is that "all of a sudden"? It was posted here on this forum (7/04/08) and that thread on this subject was participated in by you at that time.

You don't recall the issue of McCain's being born in the Canal Zone at all? It was a "huge issue" to leftists in May, 2008 -- "all of a sudden" seven months ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate
His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned

By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 2, 2008; Page A06

The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.

Article II of the Constitution states that "no person except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of president." The problem is that the Founding Fathers never defined exactly what they meant by "natural born citizen," and the matter has never been fully tested in court. At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president.

...

One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate. (Sound familiar? -- j)

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees citizenship services, declined to hand over copies of the document, saying the subpoena was improperly served.

...

The birth was announced two days later in the English-language Panamanian American newspaper. A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter a copy of the senator's birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital."

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Are you paying attention at all?