jimpeel
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Yeah, that's the way YOU read it. Try again.
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jimpeel
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spike
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Only a total moron would have gone after Saddam thinking it was it would be one of the most effective or efficient means to fight terrorism.
But no he wasn't trying to connect 9/11 and Iraq by mentioning them in the same breath. Or the Iraq war as a reaction to 9/11.
It is cute how you guys think if you use bigger fonts you can shout down reality.
2minkey
bootlicker
cheney was absolutely depending on the ignorance of the american population when he made that remark. artifacts of that ignorance have gloriously bloomed here time and time again.
http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12195
http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12195
jimpeel
Well-Known Member
It comes down to this:
Seventeen resolutions and twelve years
The United Nations passed resolution after resolution to no avail. They showed themselves to be the paper tiger they are; and Saddam thumbed his nose at them with increasing vigor.
They never had any success dealing with Saddam, the largest failure of which was the Oil for Food (OFF) program. Saddam skimmed off billions from the OFF program; and with that money he bought still more weapons with which to threaten his neighbors.
Finally, someone said "If not us -- who? If not now -- when?"; and took the actions that threat after threat and resolution after resolution had failed to do.
The fact is the the U.S. has ALWAYS been the one to leap into the fray and take care of business while other nations would stand by and condone the actions of barbarians. The Nazis marched nearly unopposed across Europe and it took a foreign power to sail across the sea and bring its might and courage to defeat them. Countries local to the war stood silent as the Nazis march of conquest goose-stepped through their back yard.
We have ALWAYS come to the aid of the downtrodden and this is merely one more time that we have done so. It is also one more time that we have done so thanklessly as our allies who begged the U.S. for their salvation have turned their backs on us after we saved them from destruction. We saved their lives, their homeland, and their culture only to be spurned in our time of need.
Twenty-six million -- let me repeat that -- TWENTY-SIX MILLION Iraqis have a chance at freedom and liberty because of one thing and one thing only -- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If not for the U.S. the rape rooms would be open; Saddams offspring would still be prowling the streets of Baghdad raping, killing, and maiming their fellow Iraqis at their pleasure; the torture rooms would still be in full swing; and dissidents would still be being thrown from tall buildings or hanged at the local soccer field.
I don't give a steaming pile of dog doo whether there were WMD or not -- the intel for which the Brits still stand behind. We freed a people who were just as deserving of that freedom as any French, Australian, Filipino, Chinese, Belgian, African, Polish, Russian, and, yes, German, Japanese, and Italian person in 1945.
WE FREED A PEOPLE FROM TYRANNY AND THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO DEBATE WHETHER THE REASON FOR THAT FREEDOM WAS JUSTIFIED!!!
Does anyone here believe that the Iraqis give a damn that there were no WMD? They give a damn that we are there and we are trying to give them what we gave the rest of the world in 1945.
Unfortunately, there are those, some of whom gather on this board, who do not believe that a people deserve freedom unless there is a good reason to give it to them beyond "They are deserving of, and have a God given right to it."
And that is just plain sad.
Seventeen resolutions and twelve years
The United Nations passed resolution after resolution to no avail. They showed themselves to be the paper tiger they are; and Saddam thumbed his nose at them with increasing vigor.
They never had any success dealing with Saddam, the largest failure of which was the Oil for Food (OFF) program. Saddam skimmed off billions from the OFF program; and with that money he bought still more weapons with which to threaten his neighbors.
Finally, someone said "If not us -- who? If not now -- when?"; and took the actions that threat after threat and resolution after resolution had failed to do.
The fact is the the U.S. has ALWAYS been the one to leap into the fray and take care of business while other nations would stand by and condone the actions of barbarians. The Nazis marched nearly unopposed across Europe and it took a foreign power to sail across the sea and bring its might and courage to defeat them. Countries local to the war stood silent as the Nazis march of conquest goose-stepped through their back yard.
We have ALWAYS come to the aid of the downtrodden and this is merely one more time that we have done so. It is also one more time that we have done so thanklessly as our allies who begged the U.S. for their salvation have turned their backs on us after we saved them from destruction. We saved their lives, their homeland, and their culture only to be spurned in our time of need.
Twenty-six million -- let me repeat that -- TWENTY-SIX MILLION Iraqis have a chance at freedom and liberty because of one thing and one thing only -- THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If not for the U.S. the rape rooms would be open; Saddams offspring would still be prowling the streets of Baghdad raping, killing, and maiming their fellow Iraqis at their pleasure; the torture rooms would still be in full swing; and dissidents would still be being thrown from tall buildings or hanged at the local soccer field.
I don't give a steaming pile of dog doo whether there were WMD or not -- the intel for which the Brits still stand behind. We freed a people who were just as deserving of that freedom as any French, Australian, Filipino, Chinese, Belgian, African, Polish, Russian, and, yes, German, Japanese, and Italian person in 1945.
WE FREED A PEOPLE FROM TYRANNY AND THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO DEBATE WHETHER THE REASON FOR THAT FREEDOM WAS JUSTIFIED!!!
Does anyone here believe that the Iraqis give a damn that there were no WMD? They give a damn that we are there and we are trying to give them what we gave the rest of the world in 1945.
Unfortunately, there are those, some of whom gather on this board, who do not believe that a people deserve freedom unless there is a good reason to give it to them beyond "They are deserving of, and have a God given right to it."
And that is just plain sad.
spike
New Member
No, the lying piece of shit had us invade Iraq instead of where terrorism grows.
2minkey
bootlicker
oh save me the drama. yeah, iraqis love us. and we love them. go ahead and get that search engine wound up and find every picture of an iraqi kid with a US soldier. post 'em all. convince yourself that they want us there.
hey, what country should we liberate next? would you bankroll it, personally?
spike
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"If not for the U.S. the rape rooms would be open"
Rape is WAY up in Iraq since the war started. They even get raped and liberated by American soldiers now sometimes.
These Iraqis were liberated real good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm
Rape is WAY up in Iraq since the war started. They even get raped and liberated by American soldiers now sometimes.
These Iraqis were liberated real good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm
Cerise
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Cerise
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spike
New Member
Nope the Republicans left in Congress have failed.
2minkey
bootlicker
yeah but discussing this doesn't really help your argument. it makes you seem like someone looking to pin shit on US soldiers, who are just trying to serve their (momentarily misdirected) country...
spike
New Member
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/08/iraq.peterbeaumont
"Iraq: The U.S.-led invasion to "liberate" Iraq from Saddam Hussein has imprisoned women in an inferno of sectarian violence that targets women and girls. The literacy rate, once the highest in the Arab world, is now among the lowest as families fear risking kidnapping and rape by sending girls to school. Women who once went out to work stay home. Meanwhile, more than 1 million women have been displaced from their homes, and millions more are unable to earn enough to eat."
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/326354
spike
New Member
Yes, most of them are. So we gotta keep quiet about the others?
2minkey
bootlicker
depends.
rape incidence is likely correlated to the presence of men generally more than it is US soldiers in particular.
so in this case it seems only like negative chatter.