No favortism towards Islam, huh

[paul_valaru]

A Discourse on the Sikh Articles of Faith A fundamental precept of the Sikh faith requires all practicing Sikhs to wear five articles of faith. These are the Kesh (uncut hair), which is kept covered by a distinctive turban. The other articles are the Kirpan

Try wearing a sword to school. Better yet, let one of your kids come home and tell you another kid in his/her class is allowed to wear a sword. Bet yer panties will get twisted up real quick then.

it is a representation of a sword, about 4 inches long, unsharpened, worn underneth the clothes.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Around here, a kid gets expelled for a dull pocketknife with a one inch blade that is kept in his pocket. Then again, we're just sick, not Sikh I guess.

 

[Luis G]

I'm just so happy that we don't have such problems............(yet)

 

[paul_valaru]

Around here, a kid gets expelled for a dull pocketknife with a one inch blade that is kept in his pocket. Then again, we're just sick, not Sikh I guess.

google it, there was a HUGE thing about in montreal.

Kid ended up beign able to carry it.

looking at them there is no way it is a weapon, it is just a religious symbol.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

And a one inch pocketknife is a weapon?

See,a lot of folks don't understand the rite of passage significance a boy attains when he gets his first pocketknife from his dad or granddad. It's not a small thing to a kid. Or maybe it's just a rural thing, I dunno. I know what it meant to me, and I know how my friends were proud of theirs too. But he can't have that at school...OK. And now some other kid from another culture can have his?

That ain't right. Color it with whatever brush you like. Respect for culture equals respect for culture. And I've reached a point ( a few years ago, in fact) that if I can't have mine, to hell with everyone else's too. Fair's fair.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

it is just a religious symbol.

Kinda like a cross to a Christian?


Oh, that's right. Every religion is now protected except Christianity. How silly of me. Carry on.

 

[Leslie]

That's the thing. It's not just a religious symbol, it's not a culture, it's not I like it so I wanna, it's their religion. They must wear it.

 

[paul_valaru]

Kinda like a cross to a Christian?


Oh, that's right. Every religion is now protected except Christianity. How silly of me. Carry on.

yeah worn BENEATH the clothes.

and for sihks it is an article of faith, you don't wear it you go to hell. (or whatever netherworld said religion has)

like a religious jew without a yamulka.

or making a menonite wear a zipper

 

[majestyx]

Around here, a kid gets expelled for a dull pocketknife with a one inch blade that is kept in his pocket.

Same here. And, to take it a little further, they can't even have nail clippers either.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

So since other things have been banned in the name of "safety", we let one religion bypass all that.

If it were a different religion, how many here would be squalling "separation of church and state"?

Which takes precedence then? That's what it boils down to.

If we're going to clamor about for safety in our schools at all costs, then we gotta get consistent. If a school had (as this one seems to have had) a pre-existing policy regarding jewely, then the cross necklace is out...as is this other stuff. But if one is allowed, then the door is open for all to walk through. At least that's how it's spun when the shoe is on other feet, right?

Then there's the whole kettle of fish about cults. They're a religion, right? Well, say a kid comes to school with child porn in his backpack, then produces literature from the Almighty Church of the Glorious Reformation which requires all adherents to possess visual reproductions of the naked child Tabitha, who is their diety, as this celebrates the inner beauty and innocence the adherents strive for. What then?

The above example is not all that ludicrous...how many potheads have tried to get out of legaltrouble by using the same argument when they get busted for having a dimebag? Same principle.

 

[paul_valaru]

separation of church and state, also freedom of religion.

the knife part is under the clothes, so that is within school rules. If it comes out for any reason, then it becomes a safety matter.

the braclet is not hidden by clothes jsut cause the persons sleeves where not long enough. the turban, well that is hard to cover up.

the issue with the cross was that it was supposed to be under the clothes, she could have just tucked it in.


and it is not spun different. the cross is optional, you don't where it, you still have a chance at heaven.

the bracelet is non-optional to them, you don'[t have it, it is bye bye to eternal peace.

comparing apples and oranges jsut because it is not your beleifs.

 

[Leslie]

We have protected religions here. (about 60 I think). If they're not included in that list, they don't get to use the whole 'religion' excuse dealie. Do you not have that or something like it there? You must. If not, mebbe you all need it. Solves a LOT of problems.

how many here would be squalling "separation of church and state

noone here squalls that all that much that I've noted, though some of us keep getting accused of it somehow.

Myself, I'm much more forgiving of someone say, slaughtering a sheep for the end of Ramadan in the not humane way because their religion tells them to over Jamie Oliver doing the same thing for a financial lark.

Jimmy having to leave his pocketknife in a drawer and having to miss it all day, or Chickie not being able to wear her necklace is a mite different than Joe Sikh having to suffer the guilt and fear that he's going to hell cause he can't follow the doctrines of religion.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Protected religions.

Translate: loophole. And loophole means no longer equal. And unequal connotes favortism of one over another.

Is Satanism protected? If so, I'd wanna keep my daughter home on the date of the virgin sacrifice...

comparing apples and oranges jsut because it is not your beleifs.

No, going out of my way not to in fact.

 

[Gonz]

Either way, it's still an interesting double standard, though. This religious symbol is OK, that one is not.

That's it. You win the Kewpie Doll.

 

[Inkara1]

We have protected religions here. (about 60 I think). If they're not included in that list, they don't get to use the whole 'religion' excuse dealie. Do you not have that or something like it there? You must. If not, mebbe you all need it. Solves a LOT of problems.

That is absolutely fucking amazing, and not in a good way.

Who decides which religions get on that list? What criteria is used?

 

[Gonz]

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Freedom, not protection. Now just to be free to practice what is free to practice.

 

[paul_valaru]

same criteria almost that the US uses when giving tax free staus to churches, or I would open the church of paul, and have all kinds of fun rights.

 

[SouthernN'Proud]

Go right ahead.

 

[HomeLAN]

That is absolutely fucking amazing, and not in a good way.

Who decides which religions get on that list? What criteria is used?

Yeah, that's about scarier than hell, isn't it? Your religion must be state sponsored, or you're SOL.

 

[Gonz]

same criteria almost that the US uses when giving tax free staus to churches, or I would open the church of paul, and have all kinds of fun rights.

The reason churches are given tax-free status is their long standing tradition of helping the community. They were welfare before welfare was forced upon the tax paying citizen. They still do more, with less, than any gov't body. Let it rest.