Somebody doesn't get it
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ClaireBear
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Rightly or probably wrongly here in Britain ADHD is "on the increase" basically I believe that children who have an inability to follow "normal school routine and life" ie Sitting still, listening and focusing, keeping hands to them selves are pidgeon-holed with this disorder... its sometimes better than saying "Your child is just plain naughty! Can you reiterate the importance of school behaviours with him/her? do you let them run around like a heathen at home?"
Its so wrong to think that many teachers and educational psychologists suggest ADHD calming drugs as a way of reducing the time they have to spend with a particular child due to their misbehaviour... but if parents are suggesting that they don't condone certain "bad" behaviour at home and avenues auch as the work set being too simplistic or difficult have been explored and ruled out... is their an other option?
Its so wrong to think that many teachers and educational psychologists suggest ADHD calming drugs as a way of reducing the time they have to spend with a particular child due to their misbehaviour... but if parents are suggesting that they don't condone certain "bad" behaviour at home and avenues auch as the work set being too simplistic or difficult have been explored and ruled out... is their an other option?
I think it's no wonder that teachers are acting like doctors, we told them 20 years ago to quit acting like parents. A teacher can't correct an unruly childs behavior effectively anymore, all they can do is to tell the child they are being naughty. Be careful saying that in front of other children though, might give the child a complex.
I'm not happy about the thought of teachers wielding paddles, but I really think it needs to go back to that. You're talking 2 maybe 3 kids per class will ever feel the sting of that paddle, after that the rest of the kids straighten right the fuck up.
I'm not happy about the thought of teachers wielding paddles, but I really think it needs to go back to that. You're talking 2 maybe 3 kids per class will ever feel the sting of that paddle, after that the rest of the kids straighten right the fuck up.
ClaireBear
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PuterTutor said:
PT! Shock horror!
I was trying to stop myself from mentioning this but really YES! YES! YES!
In Britain we were stripped of the power to administor a short sharp botty smack with the palm of the hand to unruly reception children (4 year olds) coming up almost 20 years ago... You can actually see the behaviour levels decline from then!!!!!!
But we're told that the "moral decline" is our fault... the educators not the parents! We're told that we're responsible for developing the whole child as well as following a packed tight cohesive curriculum in a year with over 13 weeks holiday!!!! But the children we receive into our care at 3/4 years old (nursery/reception) speak in little more than grunts.. have limited dexterity, imagination and play skills and are totally unsocialised.... (but thats a whole different argument... the "You need a TV liscence and one for the dog... but kids anyone can have!!!!" discussion!
I was smacked... or rather some of the boys in my class were.... and it has done me no harm.
The goverment is even trying to strip the power from actual parents from using appropriate physical methods of chastisement. Watch out World Britain is about to release a generation of mindless, reformless ADHD adults on the scene!!!!!!!!!!
ClaireBear said:
Which is precisley why I'm all pissy about this matter. It is not your job to parent my kid. It is not your job to feed, nurture, medicate my kid. Between idiot parents relinquishing their power & authority to another for the sake of convenience & the state gladly taking these powers & authority it's a wonder anything gets done at all. Wait, it doesn't, that's why I homeschool.
paul_valaru
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Wow, don't know why I am wading into this, I was public school all the way, and have no kids as of yet...but anyway
I think Home Schooled has gotten a bad rep, it is moslty done, as gonz said in right wing communities (historically, though it's changing)
you get people doing it properly, following the curriculum, using standard tests, etc.
then you get people doing it the wrong way, not following anything but there own personal belief systems, just because you beleive the JFK was killed my the illuminati, doesn't mean you teach that, and only that in history class.
I have seen the bad side, someone I worked with was part or a relgious group (cult) and they home schooled, but all the kids learnt was the bible, his kid turned 16, and had to do adult ed to catch up, and get ready for uni.
As for public schools, well in ontreal at least it used to be good, I went to 3 of them, first was for "special kids" emotionally disabled i guess you could call it (yes I was a bad kid) but it worked, then went mainstream (bad idea) and then another specialty High School (for problem kids).
The fact that the educaters where able to see where I was failing (I was bored off my ass) i was in smaller classes, and yes they would fail you, and you skipped class you got kicked out helped me graduate with a 92% average, and be able to handle college.
So not all public schools are bad, if they have the $$ and the people who don't jump the gun on the ADD thing
and not all home educators are bad, it's a matter of what is best for the child, I know I would not have been able to handle home schooling, I needed intense structure to handle my behavioural problems, and I had friends that would have truly blossomed under 1 to 1 care (or 1 to 4 care)
I think Home Schooled has gotten a bad rep, it is moslty done, as gonz said in right wing communities (historically, though it's changing)
you get people doing it properly, following the curriculum, using standard tests, etc.
then you get people doing it the wrong way, not following anything but there own personal belief systems, just because you beleive the JFK was killed my the illuminati, doesn't mean you teach that, and only that in history class.
I have seen the bad side, someone I worked with was part or a relgious group (cult) and they home schooled, but all the kids learnt was the bible, his kid turned 16, and had to do adult ed to catch up, and get ready for uni.
As for public schools, well in ontreal at least it used to be good, I went to 3 of them, first was for "special kids" emotionally disabled i guess you could call it (yes I was a bad kid) but it worked, then went mainstream (bad idea) and then another specialty High School (for problem kids).
The fact that the educaters where able to see where I was failing (I was bored off my ass) i was in smaller classes, and yes they would fail you, and you skipped class you got kicked out helped me graduate with a 92% average, and be able to handle college.
So not all public schools are bad, if they have the $$ and the people who don't jump the gun on the ADD thing
and not all home educators are bad, it's a matter of what is best for the child, I know I would not have been able to handle home schooling, I needed intense structure to handle my behavioural problems, and I had friends that would have truly blossomed under 1 to 1 care (or 1 to 4 care)
ClaireBear
Banned
Gonz said:Which is precisley why I'm all pissy about this matter. It is not your job to parent my kid. It is not your job to feed, nurture, medicate my kid. Between idiot parents relinquishing their power & authority to another for the sake of convenience & the state gladly taking these powers & authority it's a wonder anything gets done at all. Wait, it doesn't, that's why I homeschool.
The problem is in Blighty we still like to bandy about the term "loco parentus"...
Its great that you're an intelligent caring parent but for every "Mr and Mrs Gonz" you have 4 sets of parents who don't give a flying... you know! So it does become the job of any caring professional educatator to "feed, nurture and medicate" the kids in their care. They are from 9-3:30 loco parentus.
Who else is there to help other than calling in the social workers/authorities?
CB said:
In the event of natural or manmade catastrophe & the schools all blow down whose job will it be? In the event of summertime recess, whose job? In the event of rain delay or snow day or X-mas break or....
Yes ma'am, I know there are lots of fuck up I don't have time & don't much care parents. I can point to several within shouting distance of my front door. That still doesn't make it your job. If those children are being abused, really & truly harmed, then the authorities need to get involved. Shitty parents, like it or not, have been & will always be here. Shit happens.
ClaireBear
Banned
Correct.. but its the schools who normally inform the authorities much more often and for the right reasons rather than the well meaning neighbours...
Often its not an extreme enough situation to inform the authorities... are you suggesting that everytime a child reaches up to me. their teacher, for a cuddle or climbs onto my knee during story time I'm to deny them that attention and care... or I shouldn't provide spare knickers for the children who at 5 still haven't been "potty trained" effectively and simply call the authorities due to lack of parental concern?
There is a place for some form of parental care expressed by teaching staff.. I'd worry sending my own children to school if that weren't the case.
Often its not an extreme enough situation to inform the authorities... are you suggesting that everytime a child reaches up to me. their teacher, for a cuddle or climbs onto my knee during story time I'm to deny them that attention and care... or I shouldn't provide spare knickers for the children who at 5 still haven't been "potty trained" effectively and simply call the authorities due to lack of parental concern?
There is a place for some form of parental care expressed by teaching staff.. I'd worry sending my own children to school if that weren't the case.
The school authorities? 
Reading wRiting & aRithmetic not ADHD counseling. Are all teachers properly trained & certified to be a counselor?
Simple human bonding is one thing. If lil Janie can't help but mess her drawers she's not ready for school. Lack of parental concern is not for you to decide. Outright & obvious dangerous situations require intervention. Not enough hugs doesn't. Parental concern belongs at home. You are NOT their parent.
Reading wRiting & aRithmetic not ADHD counseling. Are all teachers properly trained & certified to be a counselor?Simple human bonding is one thing. If lil Janie can't help but mess her drawers she's not ready for school. Lack of parental concern is not for you to decide. Outright & obvious dangerous situations require intervention. Not enough hugs doesn't. Parental concern belongs at home. You are NOT their parent.
ClaireBear
Banned
Gonz said:The school authorities?
Many are... there was a component in my course... but any teacher who has a "difficult" child in their class receives in-service training on how to deal with such behaviours...
Personally I believe that if every parent of a child who had difficulties with the school system... either through suspected ADHD or ESBD... agreed to home school us teachers would be laughing!!!!!
Our focus would be spread evenly through the class, each child would get the attention they require.. instead of pandering to little.... *calm blue ocean calm blue ocean* ....difficult customer! but that is the nature of inclusivity and although I am all for it... I believe we could do with more resourses and teaching asistants to aid such a move.
Often teachers may be the closest damn thing the poor kids have!!!
Lack of parental concern is for us to decide as it is classed as abuse... its neglect and can be a tell tale sign of other abuses... any child who comes to school dirty, tired and hungry will be monitored and any decline will provoke action as in alerting social services.
ClaireBear
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Leslie said:
Quite... but you can't comment until you've been there... mother Teresa's patient would be challenged in some instances... a class of 18... 3 with ADHD, 2 ESBD and one Autistic boy... you do the maths!!!!!
ClaireBear said:
Then remove them. Give the problem/gifted children their own special area suited to their needs. Will they get picked on? Maybe. We did. So what. School should not be an agendized social movement to be all inclusive. It is for educating the masses. It's problem enough to educate them without the special ed kids butting in.
BeardofPants
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Jeebus, I don't know what YOU'RE complaining about. In my english class alone, there were 35+, and more than a good handful of them would periodically play up. I can remember one english period just walking out of class because some big fucking scary samoans had locked the teacher in the closet, and were generally being misbehaving so an' sos. I'm surprised I got an A in that class, since the teacher spent most of the time either futilely attempting to get the class to behave, or being heckled by said big scary samoans. 
