Somebody doesn't get it
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ClaireBear
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MrBishop said:
Yeah... my mother taught me to tell the time at 7 using the sunflower seeds from the hamster's food!!!! (Don't know how that worked but it did!)
All I know about gardening and most of my knowledge concerning nature is from my Grandad and mam too... along with my ability to draw... I was introduced to sketching by him one summer when I was 10.
Also being open to extending homework and just being involved in a child's school life can also do so much.
rrfield
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ClaireBear said:Fine... believe what you like... if you get off on supersilious, pedantic, pernickety pick ups then fine...
But you do realise that most people on forums type in a free hand style... relating to speech and the spoken word rather than sticking to the traditional grammar and punctuation.
And its relevance to the topic in hand is....
Most people do post in freehand with little-to-zero proofreading. Most of the time it's ignored, however...
You are a "quallified" public educator touting public education and frowning upon "unquallified" home school parents teaching their kids...making silly errors like that put yourself in a bad light only work to enforce the other point of view. Very relevant.
Gonz said:
I hope you don't think I'm prying here Gonz, feel free to ignore the question(s) if I am. If anyone else is homeschooling their kids, be interested in hearing the answers from the questions from you as well
Why is your child (are your children) incapable of learning in the school system? Afterall, millions have, and will, manage perfectly fine? Does your local/nearest affordable school have an exceptionally high rate of pupils being withdrawn to be homeschooled? If so, why?
Also, to what level are they homeschooled? Can you take home education all the way through to degree standard? If not, what then?
As far as I'm aware, not many kids are taken out of the school environment to be homeschooled here (I could be wrong, it's not something I've had to pay much attention to in the past).
No child is incapable of learning. The school system as a whole is incapable of giving each individual child the best it can. It's a flawed, unnatural system created for convenience, and it isn't working as it should...not for the extremely bright, not for the learning disabled, not for the average little dude. We can all send our children feel like that's good enough cause the gov't said so and pretty much not give a crap, and figure ok, well at least there will be a piece of paper at the end, or we can give a crap about what and how they're being taught, and do something to fix it. Schools are fucked. IMO it's best if we can to just do it our damned selves. Unfortunately now that they're school aged I'm too poor, so I don't think I'd be doing my kids justice in keeping them home right now. But I would if I felt I could.
Leslie said:
That's what was making me think about this homeschooling thing, figures have just been published here that 96% of pupils who sat the O-level exams (the examinations taken at the end of Comprehensive (High) School) passed those exams.....so the bright are getting the attention they deserve, and the not-so-bright are doing pretty well (and by law there has to be provisions for physically/mentally disadvantaged pupils, including learning disabilities like dyslexia etc).
I'm not trying to pull a "our school system is better than your's" here.....but I've never even heard of a parent pulling a child out of the system to homeschool them, although I know a few that have moved their kids from one school to another.
It sounds like your schools are indeed.......fucked.
ResearchMonkey
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Oz, our system is just too standardized and 'sensitive' to get much done anymore. We pass 'em all, grades hurt some childrens feelings so we a doing away with them. Some places you cant even use red-ink to correct papers or test, it might be too hurtful to the child.
chcr
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Yep. I completely understand why parents in America home school (and don't understand why so many "educators" fail to understand that the current climate in no way prepares children for the realities of life). The only thing that worries me about it (and maybe this is just more prevalent here in the "bible belt") is that many parents don't expose their children to any conflicting ideas. How will they react when they find out there are other thoughts on religion, creation, etc.? I wish I was sure most home schoolers were exposing their children to different viewpoints (maybe they are, I just don't know).ResearchMonkey said:
ResearchMonkey
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As much can be said for the public system too.chcr said:
Here is just my family, within several school systems. My oldest son was labeled ADHD by his grade one teacher. From grade one through grade 5 we went through bi-monthly meetings in which we were told we were horrible heinous parents for withholding 'lifesaving' medication from our son. In front of my son no less. !!! (Diabetes was used as a parallel example because we were obviously too stupid for words.) They didn't like it when I told them that speed was cheaper than Ritalin and more effective so if it was needed I'd do that instead. The school psychiatrist met with Zach for 5 minutes and told us to put him on Ritalin immediately, while the anecdotally best paediatrician in Toronto met with Zach, for over an hour, talking with him, us, leaving him alone in his waiting room with a hidden cam to watch him, and was flabbergasted at the very idea of Zach being labelled such. Eventually, in Grade 5ish, he was diagnosed by a psychologist not associated with the school system as being not only being learning disabled, but 'gifted'. So he was struggling and not knowing why, and at the same time bored out of his gourd, not getting the 'extras' that gifted children need just to stay not insane, and waiting as I did for the slower kids in the class to get up to speed so that they can get on to the next task.
My middle boy, an apraxic child (motor planning and speech control issues) has now this past year been labeled as lazy and stubborn, and probably ADD (note the missing H). I have taken paper after paper stating the correlation between learning/writing issues and apraxia to the two schools he has been in to no avail.
Both of these children know their stuff, they know more than their stuff...unfortunately they both have legitimate problems communicating this. Boy number 3 is, according to the kindergarten teacher, active, curious, happy when he's at school, and struggling with printing. Here we go again. He has ADHD fer sher!!!!!!!
I've been on the smartkid stuck waiting for everyone else to catch up side...what a waste of time school was, and really seems to be for my children. I've seen my kids going through both sides of the spectrum. Both suck.
Their self-esteem is being busted daily in that place. They're getting nothing from that school that I couldn't provide right here, providing I had resources to do it. Unfortunately, I don't. So I send them again and again to learn not much of value aside from the fact that they are useless pieces of shit and not as good as anyone else. Nice social skills they're pickin up with that one huh?
My middle boy, an apraxic child (motor planning and speech control issues) has now this past year been labeled as lazy and stubborn, and probably ADD (note the missing H). I have taken paper after paper stating the correlation between learning/writing issues and apraxia to the two schools he has been in to no avail.
Both of these children know their stuff, they know more than their stuff...unfortunately they both have legitimate problems communicating this. Boy number 3 is, according to the kindergarten teacher, active, curious, happy when he's at school, and struggling with printing. Here we go again. He has ADHD fer sher!!!!!!!
I've been on the smartkid stuck waiting for everyone else to catch up side...what a waste of time school was, and really seems to be for my children. I've seen my kids going through both sides of the spectrum. Both suck.
Their self-esteem is being busted daily in that place. They're getting nothing from that school that I couldn't provide right here, providing I had resources to do it. Unfortunately, I don't. So I send them again and again to learn not much of value aside from the fact that they are useless pieces of shit and not as good as anyone else. Nice social skills they're pickin up with that one huh?
chcr said:
Yeah, after spending a coupla mins reading up on our homeschooling requirements/recomendations it seems that parents can pretty much teach their kids whatever they like at home (as long as they can prove to the Local Education Authority that their children have an adequate level of education when they reach compulsory school age...and if their children want "formal" qualifacations they must sit exams under supervision of an LEA official)......so basically a parent who homeschools can teach pretty much what they like.
Also, even more surprising, is that a parent need not show any evidence of a formal education themselves (although I presume any responisble parent would ensure they were well educated and take at least a basic teaching course before embarking on homeschooling).What does seem to becoming more and more popular here is "part time schooling" parents teaching at home, but when it comes to a subject where they may lack the necessary qualifications to teach adequately, they send their kids to the local school for better education, maybe for just as few as one or two lessons a week.
ResearchMonkey
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We are haveing trouble reaching the child, must be ADHD. 
Oz said:
Child...one is enough.
He's not incapable. In fact he got A's & B's exclusively. Along with those rades came home notes from every one of his teachers (K, 1, 2, 3) that said "he's bright but he doesn't pay attention." We tried what we could & the notes still came home. Then we noticed that along with the notes was a child that earned excellent passing grades. His "lower" grades were in classes like PE (gym) or art. It then occured to us to question the teacher as to why this was occuring. She said he learns but he's "just not here in class with us". Simple enough. We first had him take a number of tests (IQ, standards, etc).
My spacey 8 year old belongs in high school. His tests all came back with above average numbers. Our local school district doesn't have advance classes (well, technically they do-AFTER his normal day) & we can't afford a private school. Our choice was let him stay, lose interest & pass or work with him.
We tested him again at the end of last year (this summer) to make sure we didn't make matters worse and he is now a senior in high school/college freshman. Not outstandingly bright but very smart is a fair assesment. Bored enough to fall asleep (figuratively) in class & still ace his exams was our puplic school child.
The Ft Wayne school district is one of the better districts in the US. They graduate a sizable majority of their enrolled student body. Many more children would do better if parents demanded more than full time babysitting from them. They don't. We won't waste our time nor theirs.
We decided to homeschool on an equivalent basis to the puplic education system. He began his 5th grade studies last Monday. Many (most) don't bother with that. The just have them do whatever work is deemed necessary by the parent. This state is very lenient. Yes, a parent may educate their child thru high school. (all the way). Most colleges now look for homeschooled kids. They find the transition to a university setting easier since they are more inclined to fully understand self-preparation & self-learning methods.
Home schooling is a long term phenomena but only recently has it caught on with a much much larger audience. It tends to lean heavily to the right wing Christian community but that is far from exclusive. Our schools have become a communirty center more than an educational center. Feeding breakfast (mostly free), providing counseling for all kinds of troubles, free or reduced price lunch, vaccinations, after school programs (basketball far outweighing math tutoring)...all the touchy feely crap I rail against our government getting involved with. The programs are needed & good. They just aren't a product of government.
Long live better educations through home or private education.
Gonz said:Child...one is enough.
He's not incapable. In fact he got A's & B's exclusively. Along with those rades came home notes from every one of his teachers (K, 1, 2, 3) that said "he's bright but he doesn't pay attention." We tried what we could & the notes still came home. Then we noticed that along with the notes was a child that earned excellent passing grades. His "lower" grades were in classes like PE (gym) or art. It then occured to us to question the teacher as to why this was occuring. She said he learns but he's "just not here in class with us". Simple enough. We first had him take a number of tests (IQ, standards, etc).
My spacey 8 year old belongs in high school. His tests all came back with above average numbers. Our local school district doesn't have advance classes (well, technically they do-AFTER his normal day) & we can't afford a private school. Our choice was let him stay, lose interest & pass or work with him.
We tested him again at the end of last year (this summer) to make sure we didn't make matters worse and he is now a senior in high school/college freshman. Not outstandingly bright but very smart is a fair assesment. Bored enough to fall asleep (figuratively) in class & still ace his exams was our puplic school child.
The Ft Wayne school district is one of the better districts in the US. They graduate a sizable majority of their enrolled student body. Many more children would do better if parents demanded more than full time babysitting from them. They don't. We won't waste our time nor theirs.
We decided to homeschool on an equivalent basis to the puplic education system. He began his 5th grade studies last Monday. Many (most) don't bother with that. The just have them do whatever work is deemed necessary by the parent. This state is very lenient. Yes, a parent may educate their child thru high school. (all the way). Most colleges now look for homeschooled kids. They find the transition to a university setting easier since they are more inclined to fully understand self-preparation & self-learning methods.
Home schooling is a long term phenomena but only recently has it caught on with a much much larger audience. It tends to lean heavily to the right wing Christian community but that is far from exclusive. Our schools have become a communirty center more than an educational center. Feeding breakfast (mostly free), providing counseling for all kinds of troubles, free or reduced price lunch, vaccinations, after school programs (basketball far outweighing math tutoring)...all the touchy feely crap I rail against our government getting involved with. The programs are needed & good. They just aren't a product of government.
Long live better educations through home or private education.
Interestin'
thanks for that Gonz. I don't really have anything to add to that post, even I'm not rude enough to try to tell a man how to look after his own kid But thanks for the info.......good to hear a real situation where a person has taken the homeschooling route for themselves