Who is 'Us' ?
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Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
chcr said:Stop trying to apply science to religion. You'll just confuse the faithful.
Actually, it depends on whose math you believe. 6000 is more or less the lower limit for young earth creationists with 12-14,000 being the upper limit that I've read about. I usually use 10,000 as a nice round (and completely unsupportable) figure. The part I don't get, and maybe it's just me, is that if they are correct then god has deceived everyone else by putting all this scientific evidence around that the earth must be billions of years old. Even if I believed in god, I'd find it a little difficult to worship a such a liar.
Actually, it depends upon the person trying to actually discount any theory of creation.
1. How long were Adamand Eve in the garden of Eden before their initial foray into disobedience?
2. After the 'fall', how long before their first-born child?
You can't have any accuracy without accounting for the first question, and even if you measure from the second, you've already added in false data because you missed the first.
As for the rest of your statement...your continual attempts at humor for things you either disbelieve, or don't understand, are getting tiresome. 
chcr
Too cute for words
1. The post and the humor were in no way directed at you or at your beliefs.Gato_Solo said:Actually, it depends upon the person trying to actually discount any theory of creation.
1. How long were Adamand Eve in the garden of Eden before their initial foray into disobedience?
2. After the 'fall', how long before their first-born child?
You can't have any accuracy without accounting for the first question, and even if you measure from the second, you've already added in false data because you missed the first.
2.Your inability to practice what you preach is what is becoming tiresome.
In other words, If what I post offends you, that's what the ignore feature is actually for, isn't it. I give up.
chcr said:Stop trying to apply science to religion. You'll just confuse the faithful.
The part I don't get, and maybe it's just me, is that if they are correct then god has deceived everyone else by putting all this scientific evidence around that the earth must be billions of years old. Even if I believed in god, I'd find it a little difficult to worship a such a liar.
You are assuming that the information is sound and correct. It was not God who gave people "evidence" of an old earth but Man...
Lopan
New Member
Gotholic said:
Your going to have to source that.
So.......8 people 5000 years ago.
Thats more than 8 people in them there houses
Catal Huyuk
Simultaneously
Also while we are on the subject
seems to be a 2000 year gap, thats a hell of a long time for Oral societies ( Sumerianns 3500 bc) to recount the story of Adam and Eve without it turning into chinese whispers
SouthernN'Proud
Southern Discomfort
Lopan said:
Trust me...so am I.
Name calling is very petty.
Lopan said:
I think you have a misunderstanding. All the information you just given was not needed.
The quote doesn't declare that there weren't more than 8 people 5,000 years ago at all. But at a certain point there were only 8 people 5,000 years ago. It is saying that the present day human population can be extrapolated backwards to acheive roughly the present day human population. Sure, maybe 5,000 years ago there were only 8 people but 40 days before that the earth was very much populated.
As for the source of my quote, the actual site did not give it's own source, which is why I was a bit reluctant to give it. However, I found more related information with a source that should answer your original inquiry:
"Moreover, population studies have shown that the Earth could easily have been populated by at least one billion people in the 1,700 years or so from Adam to Noah." [John Whitcomb and Henry Morris, The Genesis Flood, Presbyterian and Reformed, Phillipsburg, New Jersey, 1961, pp. 2527. At the time of the Flood there could have been more than three billion people around the globe, assuming a population growth of only 1.3% per year. The current average is 1.8 per cent. Population studies are a big problem for old-Earth advocates. There are simply not enough catastrophes in history to keep man's population growth low enough to allow for 100,000 years or more.]
So it looks like it is possible starting out with just 2 couples...
chcr said:
I can create my own god and worship it. But that doesn't mean there is more than one God. The Bible teaches that all other gods are false and so no one should worship them.
"Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." [Isaiah 44:8]
This is why the commandment forbids people to put other "gods" before the true one: There are no other "gods" but only false ones...
freako104
Well-Known Member
chcr said:I don't understand the question, freako. Gotholic said there weren't implications of other gods in the bible, I say that's one obvious one.
I don't know what you mean. The United States? What would that have to do with anything?
that does make it seem obvious, your quote. I am not familiar with the Bible by any means so I was not sure whether it acknowledged other deities outside the one part in Genesis.
chcr
Too cute for words
Like the rest of the bible, I find it subject to interpretation (honestly, I find it completely unbelievable). Gotholic (and diverse othersfreako104 said:
) clearly do not share this view. I'm not trying to convince anyone, simply clarifying my position.I thought I got from your previous quote that you thought the ten commandments were an American thing, and I knew that I'd misunderstood something.
freako104
Well-Known Member
I too find it for interpertation and in truth I always thought it based on myths and legends. I think you are the one besides Dr.Lane who mentioned the Epic of Gilgamesh as being one of many basis for the Bible. My comment about the 10 commandments was more of you using it rather than the Bible. Sorry about the misunderstanding