oh gods, the slippery slope.......

[Gonz]

The Congress authorizes this spending. Who controled the purse strings in Congress during those spikes?

 

[randomJACKASS]

The Congress authorizes this spending. Who controled the purse strings in Congress during those spikes?

Tactic #2 lay the blame elsewhere! The PRESIDENT makes the budget! Congress signs off on it. So just because Congress signed off on a bad idea, that the PRESIDENT came up with, is that all Congress' fault?!? I am sure you can find some way to convince yourself it does, but please spare me! I know better!

 

[spike]

Private property. I thought you supported it.

Yes, people still had private property whether a Republican or Democrat was in office.

 

[Gonz]

Tactic #2 lay the blame elsewhere! The PRESIDENT makes the budget! Congress signs off on it. So just because Congress signed off on a bad idea, that the PRESIDENT came up with, is that all Congress' fault?!? I am sure you can find some way to convince yourself it does, but please spare me! I know better!

lemme 'spain it to you....

It's not his job.

Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

That is the authority of the President. All of it.

Section. 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

The House has full control of the purse strings, NOT THE PRESIDENT.

 

[spike]

No actually the president makes a lot of the decisions in how a budget is written.

President Bush's $2.4 trillion election-year budget is taking broadsides from Republicans for spending too much, from Democrats for embracing the wrong priorities and from anti-deficit groups for masking red ink.

Treasury Secretary John Snow and White House budget chief Joshua Bolten were visiting congressional committees Tuesday to begin their defense of Bush's 2005 fiscal blueprint.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/44180/democrats_republicans_attack_bush_budget/index.html

 

[randomJACKASS]

lemme 'spain it to you....

It's not his job.




That is the authority of the President. All of it.



The House has full control of the purse strings, NOT THE PRESIDENT.

Tactic #3, avoid the subject entirely! That may be, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT SINCE 1960 (the period from which the stats are taken) PRESIDENTS HAVE WRITTEN BUDGETS AN REPUBLICANS HAVE FUCKED IT UP EVEN WORSE THAN DEMOCRATS!!!

So pull out another diversionary tactic! Let me 'splain to you. Revisionist history does not change facts! What is a congress supposed to endlessly fight a president's budget? EVERYBODY fucked up, but REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS FUCK UP BIGGER ECONOMICALLY!

 

[randomJACKASS]

Budget of the United States Government: About

According to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. The proposed spending plan, the president's budget must show:

* The condition of the Treasury at the end of the last completed fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the current fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the next fiscal year if the budget proposals are carried out.

Do you understand this? Are you capable of understanding this? Do I have to repeat myself again?

 

[Frodo]

I think I know why RJ's stats stop in '05:

Bush's budget was one of the worst in history, but Obama is going to change that.

 

[Gonz]

of 1921

Hmm, the year that Wilson left office. He was one of the biggest progressives we've ever had & he was one of the leaders of our meltdown. It was also Hardings first year.
One of these fools decided to tamper with perfection.


The Consitution is the absolute of our federal government. When the people forget that, or ignore it, the fedreal government gains power, laws get overlooked & rules get broken.

If you're okay with that, it explains a lot.

 

[randomJACKASS]

Hmm, the year that Wilson left office. He was one of the biggest progressives we've ever had & he was one of the leaders of our meltdown. It was also Hardings first year.
One of these fools decided to tamper with perfection.


The Consitution is the absolute of our federal government. When the people forget that, or ignore it, the fedreal government gains power, laws get overlooked & rules get broken.

If you're okay with that, it explains a lot.

Jesus FUCKING CHRIST will you step out of fantasy and deal with reality for 30 freaking seconds?!?

What IS and what you think SHOULD BE....

NOT THE FUCKING SAME!!!!

So Wilson made all those Republican presidents have FAILED economic strategies?!? NICE! Blame someone else!

You really do live within a fantasy that rarely is in the same zip code as reality! There is NO POINT in debating with you, because you can't even stay on point and deal with the facts at hand! I don't think your understanding of reality is sufficient to even make you qualified to even kick these ideas around at all!

 

[randomJACKASS]

OK never mind! I have argued with small children who are more rational, have a firmer grip on reality, and present better arguments. So basically I put out some facts that you, or someone else who considers themselves conservative can only refute with lies or diversionary tactics. There is nothing more I can do. No amount of facts, reason, logic, or argument can make you understand the truth that you refuse to acknowledge.

If you weren't a mod, I'd have put you on ignore long ago! So I guess unless you have a moderation issue to address me with, I am just going to pretend you are on ignore, and not react to your nonsense any more. Obviously, there is no room for learning, or growth on your part, and it furthers me not at all to try and debate with a brick wall. Good day sir! If you can completely ignore reality, I can stop trying to show it to you. Perhaps I will see you in the Lunatic Lounge or elsewhere!

 

[randomJACKASS]

Oh and just to clarify....Yes this means YOU WIN! YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG! I AM NOT WORTHY TO DEBATE A MASTER DEBATER LIKE YOU!!!



Drink up and party down!

 

[Gonz]

The Consitution is the absolute of our federal government. When the people forget that, or ignore it, the fedreal government gains power, laws get overlooked & rules get broken.

Sad, but true.

We the people can take our government back (oh, look, we are)

 

[Gonz]

oh, and for the record,

that dip during Clintons years was a (R) Congress.

The increrase following was after 9/11

the final spike was after the (D)'s took control

(the long downward trend was following WW2)

 

[spike]

So just for the record Reagan's budget greatly increased the debt, Bush Sr's did too, and Bush Jr's tax cuts and unpaid for Iraq debacle were absolute disasters.

 

[randomJACKASS]

So just for the record Reagan's budget greatly increased the debt, Bush Sr's did too, and Bush Jr's tax cuts and unpaid for Iraq debacle were absolute disasters.

There is no point spike! I thought perhaps you would see that from my futile attempts to tell the truth. They don't give a fuck about reality, just making excuses and trying to get out of paying for services they make use of. The primary virtues of a con are selfishness, greed, lack of compassion, and paranoia. Most of them are beyond hope, at least until something tragic happens and they are forced to face the fact that their philosophy is flawed!

 

[Gonz]

So just for the record Reagan's budget greatly increased the debt, Bush Sr's did too,

Congress passed them. Democratic controlled Congresses.

GW...tax-cut for the rich has helped me greatly (and I'm not rich)

The war on terror has been expensive but we haven't had any more attacks on US soil have we?

 

[ResearchMonkey]

There is no point spike! I thought perhaps you would see that from my futile attempts to tell the truth.

With continued practice, one day you will be able to tell the truth. Its really not that hard once you get a clue about the real world.

Keep trying little buddy.

 

[spike]

Congress passed them. Democratic controlled Congresses.

Republican presidents designed them.

GW...tax-cut for the rich has helped me greatly (and I'm not rich)

They've caused massive debt.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1811

The war on terror has been expensive but we haven't had any more attacks on US soil have we?

Iraq wasn't trying to attack us.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Iraq wasn't trying to attack us.

Thats OK, the message was understood..