Nick Berg

Sorry Samster,
America is destined to continue to lead the world.
It's a tough job but we are the ONLY one's to do it!
 
Winky said:
There was a link?

So by that means of deductive reasoning we
have summarily executed 12 Iraq's?
Guess that video should be shown.
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It was in my first post in this thread http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showpost.php?postid=336841&postcount=16


I don't condone the act or reasons behind it ,them blaming it on what happened at Abu G is moot ,they probably would have done similar and blamed it on the advance on Najaf or whatever they felt like. Its the playing down of what happened to the Iraqs in Abu G ,that annoys me. If you read the RC report ,you'll see that most were there by mistake (this being reported by the CF Intelligence people themselves) so these acts against people who had no reason for being there can't and shouldn't be played down .
 
AB, that figure is regarding the entire prison. The poor tortured, abused & humiliated innocent Iraqi civilains that we treated so inhumanely were in the possible overzealous wing of the torture camp that housed terrorists & insurgents.
 
Gonz said:
AB, that figure is regarding the entire prison. The poor tortured, abused & humiliated innocent Iraqi civilains that we treated so inhumanely were in the possible overzealous wing of the torture camp that housed terrorists & insurgents.
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Dhia al-Shweiri he was released ,he was abused ,he wasn't a combatant until afterward.
 
Why was he arrested? Notice that is conveniently lacking.

Al-Shweiri, who was arrested by the Americans in October, said he was asked to take off his clothes only once and for about 15 minutes.
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Gonz said:
Why was he arrested? Notice that is conveniently lacking.
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Is that the guy that was oh so innocent. Then he got stuck on the badboy cellblock because he raped a 15 year old female fellow detainee??
 
I don't know about that but this is fun;
He said the Americans arrested him along with his father and brother in the Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City in Baghdad, accusing him of belonging to the al-Mahdi Army because he had an automatic weapon in his house and some headbands with Islamic sayings on them. His father and brother were released shortly after the arrest.
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Chinadaily
 
Gonz said:
Not a single automatic weapon in a war zone in my house.
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Automatic weapons are more prevalent there ,if not the only guns available ,it would be the US equivalent to a handgun . With a war going on and insecurity ,I wouldn't expect them to dispose of any weapons they had prior to the Coalition forces arriving.I'm quite sure you have one or more handguns and if a war were to develop youd hang on to them and probably get more . :D
 
Oh, you can bet your ass. You can also bet I'd not end up in a prison & upon my release you can further bet I wouldn't whine about my good luck of not being killed.
 
The owner of another bulletin board I go to posted a copy of the video at her site. It wasn't that quick of a death. They didn't just take a large, sharp sword and chop his head off. They slowly sawed it off, making him suffer for 30 or so seconds in excruciating pain until his head came all the way off. It's very sickening to watch.

It takes about 4 1/2 minutes to get to the decapitation. It's just talking before then. Also, the audio's off a bit, so his screaming starts 5 or so seconds before they actually start the deed.

Here's a link to the thread it's posted to.
http://www.beautydestroyed.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Politics;action=display;num=1084336001
 
MrBishop: Morality is relative

Winky said:
Not everyone believes that.

I for one don’t!
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So...in your mind, everyone's morals are, or should be, exactly the same as the person next to them, accross the street, accross the country or accross the world, regardless of their upbringing, their religious convictions, their family situation when growing up, etc etc...

That's one hell of a statement...care to back it up?
 
According to his family, Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But he was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24.
Berg was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days. His father, Michael, said his son wasn't allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated. His family last heard from him April 9 but it was unclear when and where he was abducted.
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Speaking of shared morals - Most Baghdad residents on Wednesday condemned al Qaeda's beheading of a U.S. civilian in Iraq, but many said his death was just the latest atrocity in a cycle of violence that is driving them to despair. -source
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Most Baghdad residents on Wednesday condemned al Qaeda's beheading of a U.S. civilian in Iraq, but many said his death was just the latest atrocity in a cycle of violence that is driving them to despair.
A Web site video showed a masked man cutting off the head of Nick Berg, a 26-year-old civilian, and said al Qaeda's leader in Iraq had personally carried out the killing in revenge for abuses against Iraqi prisoners.
Berg went missing last month when dozens of foreigners were seized by guerrillas after Marines launched a crackdown in the city of Falluja. The Marine operation followed the killing and grisly mutilation of four U.S. security guards in the city.
"The Americans killed hundreds in Falluja in retaliation for the mutilation of the four Americans and now those people are killing an American in retaliation for the torture of prisoners," said Arkan Mohammad, a cleric at Baghdad University.
"Someone has to do something to stop the cycle of violence from going on and on."
Even in the Baghdad Sunni Muslim stronghold of Adhamiya, where there is fierce opposition to the occupation, many residents were appalled by the decapitation of Berg.
"We denounce this act. No-one can accept the killing of another human being in this horrible way," said Yassir Saleh, a 30-year-old barber. But he too pointed to a tide of violence that has swept the country since the fall of Saddam Hussein.
"Sometimes I really can't understand the logic of what is happening, all the violence that I could have never imagined would take place in my country," he said.
Many Iraqis say they oppose the U.S.-led occupation but also despise insurgents whose suicide attacks, mortar strikes and bomb blasts have killed far more Iraqis than Americans.
Issa al-Khalidi, a 65-year-old pensioner sitting in one of the oldest coffeehouses in Adhamiya, also condemned the killing but looked around nervously as he did.
"It's a brutal, inhuman act. As Muslims our religion prohibits us from committing such acts," he said.
"People with their own interpretations of Islam are coming to this country and killing left and right, and the Americans are just providing them with the pretext to do so."
But some of the city's poorer residents said they supported the killing, arguing it was acceptable retribution for the abuses the U.S. military had committed in Iraq.
"This is the price they have to pay for what they have done," said 33-year-old Omar Khateb, a labourer.
"It was done according to Islamic Sharia, and the Americans should know that there is a price they will pay for the atrocities they commit."
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Sam - does this seem to you that everyone in Iraq is like these 6 zealots? Do they all deserve to be turned into ash and hot glass?
 
all the violence that I could have never imagined would take place in my country
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It's been so quiet for the last 25 years. :rolleyes:


Why is it, the closer we get to the handover, the more we're fought?
 
Winky said:
Sorry Samster,
America is destined to continue to lead the world.
It's a tough job but we are the ONLY one's to do it!
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Winky - that is by and far the most egotistical statement that I have every heard.

Not only does America not lead the world ... but by claiming that America does, you also state that the only way that the world can be led is through war instead of through peace.

That..is a sad statement for our future.
 
What I don't understand is why you people are taking what these monsters that killed Mr. Berg seriously.

They say it is because of the stuff that happened in the prison, and you guys are fighting over which is worse.

I think it had NOTHING to do with the prison, it had to do with the fact that they had someone captive, and wanted to be on the news, and the whole prison thing was jsut an excuse.

The people that did this deserve to be killed, the people that are harboring them deserve to be punished.
 
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